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#121 Olympiada

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 02:52 PM

Dear Schemamonk Seraphim What thoughts are you referring to? Olympiada


#122 Fr Seraphim (Black)

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 03:55 PM

Olympiada,

Look at the topic of this thread, and I believe this will supply the answer to your above post.

Respectfully,

fr. seraphim


#123 M.C. Steenberg

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 05:50 PM

Fr Seraphim wrote:

I wanted to simply point out that we are all, that is, 'not as yet married', 'married', or 'monastic', subject to logismoi. Whether we accept the thoughts or not is at the core of the ascetic battle, is it not?

Certainly, I did not condemn the majority of the 40 plus posts. Yet certain of them, directly or by inference, went far beyond any Lenten theme.



I'm grateful for this contribution. It harks back to a point of discussion in this thread a short while ago, namely the focus with which one approaches such questions within the Church's mindset. I wrote in my post no. 953:

"The Church does not work from the position of numerous variant possibilities taken into consideration and a view formed that accounts for all: it presents the truth, the ideal of perfection for which humanity was created and toward which it is called by Christ, which does not vary based on the preponderance or severity of sin. This is then applied pastorally, person to person, spiritual heart to ailing heart.

"To attempt to concoct a view of marriage, love or sexuality based on all the possibilities of what can go wrong, how it can be misappropriated, how it can be abused, is, beyond being out-of-sorts with the way Christianity approaches reality, simply futile. It is a road that leads nowhere, ultimately an indulgence in our own preferences, fears and desires. Our is not to dictate reality based on our likes and dislikes, are agreements and disagreements, but to receive it from Christ and apply it, in obedience and humility, to the perfection of our own lives."


I do think this really has to be at the heart of any patristic approach to the questions involved in 'Orthodoxy and Sexuality': not just a seeking after answers to questions, but a seeking after the context in which questions are rightly formulated -- of hearing what the Gospel teaches about human nature in its full reality, and applying this 'icon' to our own lives as the pastoral means of transfiguration, rather than taking the experiences of our lives as the building blocks of a new intellectual or psychological tower of babel that some how reaches up to the heavens and defines our reality.

INXC, Matthew

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 02:47 AM

We must not artificially isolate ourselves from the reality of todays world; rather, we must learn to use the best things the world has to offer, for everything good in the world—if we are only wise enough to see it—points to God, and we must make use of it. Too many people make the mistake of limiting Orthodoxy to church services, set prayers, and the occasional reading of a spiritual book. True Orthodoxy, however, requires a commitment that involves every aspect of our lives. One is Orthodox all the time every day, in every situation of life—or one is not really Orthodox at all. For this reason we must develop an Orthodox worldview and live it. --- Fr. Seraphim of Platina

"Living an Orthodox World-View", a lecture given at the St Herman Summer Pilgrimage, Platina, CA, August 1980; Orthodox America, Aug.-Sept. 1982.


#125 Jake Gale

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 07:31 AM

So is it a sin to masterbate?

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 02:10 PM

So is it a sin to masterbate?

Short answer: In as much as it is simply an act for self-gratification, it "misses the mark", don't you think? Is it not perhaps a symptom of a greater illness? Remember, in Orthodoxy, sin is a sickness to be healed, not a crime to be punished.

#127 Father David Moser

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Posted 22 August 2006 - 03:23 PM

So is it a sin to masterbate?


Another short answer - yes. Why? Longer answer - because any act that arouses the passions is sinful. Any act that misuses what God has given is sinful. Masturbation misuses what God has given, it arouses the passions, it is an act of extreme selfishness, it is often accompanied by sinful fantasies.

No less than masturbation - overeating and secret eating are sins. These sins misuse what God has given, they arouse the passions, they are acts of selfishness, etc. One might even consider gourmet eating a similar sin since it is only concerned with arousing the passion for pleasant/unique tastes, it wastes food (choosing only the finest), it arouses pride, it is an act of selfishness, it makes a "god" out of food, cuisine, chef, etc.

Or perhaps lets go to another arena - excessive dress (regardless of the fashion it follows) is sinful in that it arouses the passions; it is selfish; it makes a "god" out of designers, clothing, etc; it breaks the law of God (do not be concerned for what you will wear... Matt 6:25-34)

You see we could go on to any number of the seemingly "normal" parts of our life and find that if "misused" it becomes sin. Sexuality is no different in this respect than eating, drinking, owning possessions, clothing, and so on.

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#128 Kusanagi

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 03:13 PM

Self satisfaction is not how nature or God intended it to be. It was man and woman being married and then becoming one body.
How to be one flesh if homosexual or self satisfying yourself?
Also St Nikodemus of the Holy Mountain in his manual book for confession says the canon for this is saying Psalm 50 and doing 49 prostrations a day for the next 40 days and eating only dry food and water.




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