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#21 Alice

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 07:51 AM

Dear Athanasia I will try to summarize in a few words the meaning. The story is that two monks who were with Elder Joseph to the end said that when he departed he was in the first state like the photos show. No smile and his mouth is half opened. So they notified Elder Ephraim and when the Elder came he said that they should leave his face uncovered. But the two monks were saying that he doesn't look good with his mouth half opened. But they obeyed to the Elder. When they prepared the body they tried to close the half opened mouth and it closed but then it opened again (because it was like 45 min after departure and it was late to close it they say). So they started to sew the Elder's body in the monastic dress that would be his last. This was when the photo shows the entire body of the Elder covered with the black fabric and the monks sewing it. So it has passed about 90 minutes total after the departure of Elder Joseph and they prepared to cut the robe around his face as Elder Ephraim had said. When they cut it Elder Joseph was smiling!!! Not only with his lips but the entire face and eyes. The video said maybe this was the favor the Elder granted after he heard them so they do not get sad, or maybe it was the smile after the Elder saw where he was and to give us an idea about the beauties of the future life. In any case this smile was a consolation for all of them.


Amazing!! :-)

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 11:28 PM

Prophecies Of Elder Joseph Of Vatopaidi

From an interview on October 26, 2001

J.: We are happy to receive you. You have our profound respect and best wishes.

P.: Thank you, Father, for seeing us. The times in Russia, now, are both terrible, on the one hand, and complex, on the other.

J.: We pray that the Russian people might return to their natural state, that which existed prior to the destruction, because we have common roots and are taking to heart the situation in which the Russian people find themselves.

P.: There are many woes, of course. Drug addiction is rampant. There is the degeneration of our nation.

J.: Things are now in such a state of deterioration -- a condition that is common throughout the entire world, at the present time. And it is subsequent to this specific condition, this precise limit, that the wrath of God will begin. We have reached this extreme. And it will now happen that what the Lord, in His mercy, formerly endured, He will now, acting in accordance with His righteousness, chastise, because the time has now come for that.

There will be a war, and wars, and we will experience great difficulties. World power has now been seized by the Jews, and their goal is to annihilate Christianity. The wrath of God will be such that all those secret foes who are bringing about this state of affairs will be destroyed themselves. It is for this purpose, in particular, that the wrath of the Lord is being sent down: in order to destroy them, in one way or another. But this should not unduly frighten us, because we must always have hope in God. Because thousands, millions of martyrs, including our New Martyrs, suffered in exactly the same way, and we must be prepared for this and not be unduly frightened. There must be patience, prayer and hope in Divine providence, on out part. Let us pray for the renaissance of our Christianity after this war, after everything that awaits us, in order that the Lord might truly give us the strength to restore all this. But this evil will have to be endured.

P.: And how soon will Russia be reborn after that?

J.: Everything has now begun; now, there will be a great explosion. Following this, there will be rebirth.

P.: Many icons, now, are streaming myrrh. We have an icon of the Saviour, which is exuding blood.

J.: And here, in Greece, too, many are streaming myrrh. The word is that the Saviour is weeping, and the Mother of God is weeping, and the icons weep.

P.: They bring an icon, and there is a clump of blood on it, like this: it's a paper icon and so fragrant..., imagine. They took it in for analysis and it turned out that this was plasma.

J.: This is the beginning of these events, troublesome events, military ones... The movers and shakers of this evil are the Jews. They are being prompted to do this by the devil, in order to start this,... in order to destroy the seed of Orthodoxy in Greece and in Russia. This will be their chief obstacle to world domination. And they nevertheless will compel the Turks to come here, to Greece, in order to begin their work; and Greece, although she has a government, does not, in reality, have a government, as such. She lacks strength, and the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia, too, will move her forces, in order to repel the Turks. Events will develop thus: when Russia goes to Greece's aid, the Americans and NATO will attempt to prevent this, in order that there might be no union, no merger, between two Orthodox nations. They will also arouse other powers, such as the Japanese and others. There will be great slaughter upon the territory of the former Byzantine Empire. Of those who perish, there will be some 600 million, alone. The Vatican will also participate greatly in all this, in order to impede the growing role of Orthodoxy and prevent such unification. Thus will Divine providence find its fulfillment.

P.: Of course. All the prerequisites exist for this, for all these events. But there is also the fact that there is such opposition in the media. World hierarchs ... {illegible} .... And how long will the president maintain this line? Is it a good one that he is holding to now?

J.: God will permit the destruction of all those who are sowing these temptations, pornography and drug addiction. And the Lord will so blind their minds that they will destroy one another without receiving any satisfaction therefrom. The Lord will permit this precisely in order to bring about a great purging. As concerns Putin, that time will not last long, and there will be an immediate war, and he will not be around for long. But, following this extensive cleansing, there will be a great renaissance of Orthodoxy, not only in Russia, but throughout the entire world; such a great surge of Orthodoxy. The Lord will extend His blessing, His Grace, just as had been the case in the first few centuries. Then, when people went to the Lord with an open heart... This will last for 3 - 4 decades, then the dictatorship of the antichrist will quickly set in. These are the terrible events that we must endure; let them not frighten us, because the Lord will shelter His own. Yes, we will surely experience difficulties, hunger, and even persecution and much else, but the Lord will not abandon His own. And those who are placed in positions of authority should compel their subjects to be with the Lord, the more; to abide in prayer, the more; and the Lord will shelter His own. The condition that will prevail following the cleansing will be one of a great renascence.

We, as pastors, must restrain as many people from sinning as we are able, in order that the Grace of God might not depart from us all. In order that we might be as close as possible to God, to repentance and to prayer... Then the Lord will always be with us, regardless of how difficult might be the circumstances. The Lord will not abandon us. We need to restrain ourselves and keep and hold our people.

[I found this spuriously on the internet and have not checked the source as it has gone through a few translations. This was translated from a Russian translation of the original Greek text by G. Spruksts. It falls very much in line with other prophecies made by Athonite Elders such as Elder Paisios the Hagiorite and Elder Ephraim of Philotheou. - J.S.]

http://orthodoxword....-from-eternity/

#23 H. Smith

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:23 PM

Prophecies Of Elder Joseph Of Vatopaidi

From an interview on October 26, 2001

J.: We are happy to receive you. You have our profound respect and best wishes.

P.: Thank you, Father, for seeing us. The times in Russia, now, are both terrible, on the one hand, and complex, on the other.

J.: We pray that the Russian people might return to their natural state, that which existed prior to the destruction, because we have common roots and are taking to heart the situation in which the Russian people find themselves.

P.: There are many woes, of course. Drug addiction is rampant. There is the degeneration of our nation.

J.: Things are now in such a state of deterioration -- a condition that is common throughout the entire world, at the present time. And it is subsequent to this specific condition, this precise limit, that the wrath of God will begin. We have reached this extreme. And it will now happen that what the Lord, in His mercy, formerly endured, He will now, acting in accordance with His righteousness, chastise, because the time has now come for that.

There will be a war, and wars, and we will experience great difficulties. World power has now been seized by the Jews, and their goal is to annihilate Christianity. The wrath of God will be such that all those secret foes who are bringing about this state of affairs will be destroyed themselves. It is for this purpose, in particular, that the wrath of the Lord is being sent down: in order to destroy them, in one way or another. But this should not unduly frighten us, because we must always have hope in God. Because thousands, millions of martyrs, including our New Martyrs, suffered in exactly the same way, and we must be prepared for this and not be unduly frightened. There must be patience, prayer and hope in Divine providence, on out part. Let us pray for the renaissance of our Christianity after this war, after everything that awaits us, in order that the Lord might truly give us the strength to restore all this. But this evil will have to be endured.

P.: And how soon will Russia be reborn after that?

J.: Everything has now begun; now, there will be a great explosion. Following this, there will be rebirth.

P.: Many icons, now, are streaming myrrh. We have an icon of the Saviour, which is exuding blood.

J.: And here, in Greece, too, many are streaming myrrh. The word is that the Saviour is weeping, and the Mother of God is weeping, and the icons weep.

P.: They bring an icon, and there is a clump of blood on it, like this: it's a paper icon and so fragrant..., imagine. They took it in for analysis and it turned out that this was plasma.

J.: This is the beginning of these events, troublesome events, military ones... The movers and shakers of this evil are the Jews. They are being prompted to do this by the devil, in order to start this,... in order to destroy the seed of Orthodoxy in Greece and in Russia. This will be their chief obstacle to world domination. And they nevertheless will compel the Turks to come here, to Greece, in order to begin their work; and Greece, although she has a government, does not, in reality, have a government, as such. She lacks strength, and the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia, too, will move her forces, in order to repel the Turks. Events will develop thus: when Russia goes to Greece's aid, the Americans and NATO will attempt to prevent this, in order that there might be no union, no merger, between two Orthodox nations. They will also arouse other powers, such as the Japanese and others. There will be great slaughter upon the territory of the former Byzantine Empire. Of those who perish, there will be some 600 million, alone. The Vatican will also participate greatly in all this, in order to impede the growing role of Orthodoxy and prevent such unification. Thus will Divine providence find its fulfillment.

P.: Of course. All the prerequisites exist for this, for all these events. But there is also the fact that there is such opposition in the media. World hierarchs ... {illegible} .... And how long will the president maintain this line? Is it a good one that he is holding to now?

J.: God will permit the destruction of all those who are sowing these temptations, pornography and drug addiction. And the Lord will so blind their minds that they will destroy one another without receiving any satisfaction therefrom. The Lord will permit this precisely in order to bring about a great purging. As concerns Putin, that time will not last long, and there will be an immediate war, and he will not be around for long. But, following this extensive cleansing, there will be a great renaissance of Orthodoxy, not only in Russia, but throughout the entire world; such a great surge of Orthodoxy. The Lord will extend His blessing, His Grace, just as had been the case in the first few centuries. Then, when people went to the Lord with an open heart... This will last for 3 - 4 decades, then the dictatorship of the antichrist will quickly set in. These are the terrible events that we must endure; let them not frighten us, because the Lord will shelter His own. Yes, we will surely experience difficulties, hunger, and even persecution and much else, but the Lord will not abandon His own. And those who are placed in positions of authority should compel their subjects to be with the Lord, the more; to abide in prayer, the more; and the Lord will shelter His own. The condition that will prevail following the cleansing will be one of a great renascence.

We, as pastors, must restrain as many people from sinning as we are able, in order that the Grace of God might not depart from us all. In order that we might be as close as possible to God, to repentance and to prayer... Then the Lord will always be with us, regardless of how difficult might be the circumstances. The Lord will not abandon us. We need to restrain ourselves and keep and hold our people.

[I found this spuriously on the internet and have not checked the source as it has gone through a few translations. This was translated from a Russian translation of the original Greek text by G. Spruksts. It falls very much in line with other prophecies made by Athonite Elders such as Elder Paisios the Hagiorite and Elder Ephraim of Philotheou. - J.S.]

http://orthodoxword....-from-eternity/

 

What do people make of this?

I saw lots of stories online about Elder Joseph's prophecies.

Do you believe they are actually reliability, or is it more like the breeze in the air where people make their own guesses and it just flies around without being grounded in reality?

 

For example, he says:
 

"they nevertheless will compel the Turks to come here, to Greece, in order to begin their work;  ...

 

the Turks will come here. This will be the moment when Russia, too, will move her forces, in order to repel the Turks. Events will develop thus: when Russia goes to Greece's aid, the Americans and NATO will attempt to prevent this, in order that there might be no union, no merger, between two Orthodox nations. They will also arouse other powers, such as the Japanese and others. There will be great slaughter upon the territory of the former Byzantine Empire. Of those who perish, there will be some 600 million, alone.

 

It doesn't sound realistic to me that Turkey will invade Greece, since they are both NATO members. I guess it could happen in Cyprus but that is not technically Greece. And then Russia going to help NATO's Greece against Turkey and then NATO stopping Russia from helping NATO's Greece.... it doesn't sound grounded in reality to me.



#24 Olga

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:50 PM

It seems odd (and off) to me that a holy elder would concern himself with worldly political machinations.



#25 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

Prophecy has been with us since Old Testament times. Many prophecies have been fulfilled. Christ Himself told the disciples something about what would come to pass - prophecy was part of His priestly ministry on earth. There have been saints and elders who have uttered or written prophecies about future events since the early days of the Christian era until our own times. Perhaps we should take recent prophecies as continuing a certain tradition but at the same time accept that saints and elders have never agreed about everything. We need, I would suggest, to receive prophecies with the mind of the Church.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:39 PM

Turks coming into Greece can be any Muslim. You would be astounded at how many Muslim migrants are in Greece. The Greek government is now obliged to build them a mosque in Athens. Many of these prophecies have similarities going back to the time of St Cosmas Aitolas. Also current events are seen through this same prizm amongst the Orthodox of the Balkans, the anglozionists etc...

#27 Lakis Papas

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 08:53 PM

It seems odd (and off) to me that a holy elder would concern himself with worldly political machinations.


I agree with Olga. These concers are so ephemeral.




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