As our conversation about yoga seems to be moving beyond mere postures and breathing techniques this past week and to more of a dimension which speaks to such things as motivation and spirituality/enlightenment . . . this is a very interesting exchange, to me, between Fr. David and Dave above.
By way of introduction, I am considering what the difference really *is* between what Fr. David is saying and what Dave is saying, and how this really applies to the brand new Orthodox babes as well as those who are not brand new babes.
I have seen pictures of Fr. David on the internet running a radial arm saw outside on a jobsite--wearing bibs if I remember correctly--he is looking very proficient/diligent as a workman rightly dividing the wood. I appreciate his comments about context, and his analogy of a building and building materials. I think this is 100% correct, and helps me to understand better what father has meant as he has repeated for years the need to:
. . . leave behind everything that you think you understand and begin again from the beginning in the Orthodox Church.
And, I can appreciate what Dave has shared as well about his former experience with 'unlearning.' On a personal note, I have been through a RYT program at a yoga school whose motto is that they are the school for unlearning . . .
"The School for Unlearning, Non-doing, and Absolute being"
And, knowing there has been somewhat of an allowance recently in this thread for the postures (asanas)
and breathing techniques (pranayama),
found in yoga, as a means for Christian spiritual development for some . . . I wonder how far off Fr. David and Dave really are as we consider what they are both saying in terms of these concepts. While remembering what Fr. David has well said about buildings, building materials, and installation, as well as what father has said about baggage . . . we can say here with certainty, as father has, that 'context is King.'
But, more to the point, I am wondering if this baggage that we are to lay down is not a once and for all type of thing/methodology
. . . whereby this concept, this approach of yielding in humility to a place of unknowing is to never not be applied
. So, in this sense, it really doesn't matter where one has come from, it really doesn't matter which path one has trod on his/her way to Orthodoxy. However, possibly, what Dave is saying is that the concept is the same, and what has brought him to the door of Orthodoxy is not something to be abandon at this time (or ever?). And, to continue with this illustration, Dave suspects that his spiritual father has struck a passive pose with him at the present, or as Dave wrote:
He's probably just letting me get comfortable in
my new home before breaking the news to me
that I have to reinforce the foundation and replace
So if the laying down, or casting aside, of our baggage is not a once for all type of thing, and as we may see above with Dave's path to and through the door of Orthodoxy, I wonder how dogmatic we can be about a feeling that this unlearning, unknowing, etc. must be left behind with the other things we think we understand? What think ye discussion group? I wonder if it is possible that as it relates to this very area of discussion in this thread that what is baggage for one is not baggage for another. Or, to look at this another way, for the one who shows up at the door of Orthodoxy as a little child (who only knows to learn from his/her teachers)
is there anything to 'do' but welcome him/her, exchange a mutual embrace, and express compassion for this weary little traveler as he/she is walking through the door with his/her new teachers? Maybe it depends on the condition of such a one and while maybe not where he/she came from, but possibly an allowance for how far he/she has traveled?
I don't know. You tell me.
Edited by Rick H., 07 June 2008 - 01:44 PM.
changing who's to whose--before Nina gets back and sees this! :)