Posted 08 December 2008 - 03:44 AM
We dress modestly to not draw attention to ourselves nor to "fit in" with the modern day fads.
We groom ourselves in the same way.
Our lives are to imitate Christ, not Bon Jovi.
There is nothing wrong and for all practical purposes preferred with dressing in our daily lives as we are requested in a monastery.
Clergy have a different standard than lay persons.
Posted 08 December 2008 - 12:34 PM
We do generally wear a cross on a chain, but this is generally worn under the clothing unless you are a priest or the singer Madonna who really shouldn't be wearing one anyway, but I digress...
Orthodoxy crosses many cultural lines, with little in common except our Faith. The People of God know no single earthly fashion beyond modesty.
Or so it seems to this bear of very little brain.
Herman the Pooh
Posted 08 December 2008 - 06:22 PM
Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:13 PM
It is a widely-held belief among churchgoers in Russia that the man's tie (is it 'necktie' in the US?) is a masonic device which echoes the noose used by Judas Iscariot to hang himself.
St John of San Francisco used to refer to neckties in just that fashion - as a "masonic noose" and refused to allow altar servers to wear such under their stichari
Fr David Moser
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:13 PM
When I was on Shore Patrol duty in the US Navy, the uniform included a tie, but it was required to be a "clip-on" so that drunks being taken into custody could not grab it and use it to choke you! Archbishop John of Chicago (OCA) of blessed memory also considered ties masonic and never let his altar servers wear them, that is why I don't generally wear a tie to church to this day, although I've worn one at work for many many years. I can tie a perfect tie knot with my eyes closed.
Nice thing about being Orthodox and all that "slave" stuff, at least we don't have to worry about being slaves to fashion!
Herman the fit-to-be-tied Pooh
Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:36 AM
Posted 09 December 2008 - 12:41 AM
Posted 09 December 2008 - 03:53 AM
Posted 09 December 2008 - 10:20 AM
In the past people would buy new clothes once a year during Lent, just before Easter Sunday. These new clothes would then be worn on Easter Sunday and would have to last for the whole year. Also women and men thoroughly cleaned everything they could get their hands on during Lent. This was the time houses were painted, everything that could be salvaged and made new kept, things that could no longer be renewed thrown away or burnt, everything made new and special in preparation for the Lord's Resurrection.
A thorough cleansing of the human mind, body, and everything that people owned.
Can you imagine how special everyone and everything felt at Easter?
Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:51 PM
If the King of kings and Lord of lords and God of all creation were to visibly be by your side 24/7, how would you dress? behave? talk? act? Knowing He is there invisibly should be no different. He has seen it all, but would He be embarassed to take you home to meet His mother?
I think that although I stink because I stay with pigs, He still opens his arms and receives me as He receives all the prodigal children of His.
Posted 10 December 2008 - 01:23 AM
What do you mean, Nina?
Wasn't the prodigal son eating with the pigs? Isn't the prodigal son a symbol of a sinner? I have read from the Fathers that pigs were symbols of the sins he was indulging in. Sins also have stench. This is pretty much the idea.
Posted 10 December 2008 - 01:56 AM
Before donning the cassock, I always wore a tie, - my regimental, old school and RSCM (chorister's tie). For the record, I am not going to argue with a saint! Just a thought..wearing chotki on the wrist seem to fit in here somewhere.
Posted 10 December 2008 - 06:20 AM
But emulating Judas? Even for the Freemasons, this seems a bit of a stretch...
And please forgive the tasteless pun I just committed.
Edited by John Litster, 10 December 2008 - 06:23 AM.
Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:33 PM
the fact that St. John of blessed memory happened to subscribe to it doesn't make it any less so. In all this we must remember that St. John was human, and had his own foibles, dislikes, maybe even ignorances (Hasn't every true saint said the same about himself or herself?)
Or perhaps he just has a sense of humor?
Fr David Moser
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