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#1 Sbdn. Peter Simko

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:32 PM

Friends,

Is it true that, generally, the entrance of the Presanctified Gifts is to take the shortest path from the North Door to the Beautiful Gates, like a Small Entrance?  Is there a reason for this?

A blessed fast to you all.



#2 Rdr Daniel (R.)

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:15 PM

According to our parish presbyter when this course came up at my Orthodox Theology course the answer is no, the procession is done as at the Great Entrance in a normal liturgy, though our parish and at other parishes I have been to in our Archdioceses (Thyatira and Great Britain) there is no distinction in length between the Little and Great Entrance.

 

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#3 Ben Johnson

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:07 AM

At our Mission our priest took a shorter path.



#4 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 07:54 AM

We use the shorter route.



#5 Jim McQuiggin

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:30 PM

In The Liturgikon published by the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America, on page 352 of the third edition, one can read: "The priest saying softly Through the prayers of our holy fathers...." makes the entrance from the north door, across the solea and directly into the sanctuary through the holy doors."



#6 Angie

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:10 AM

Hi

 

What is the meaning of the pre sanctified gifts?

 

Thanks

 

Angela



#7 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:35 AM

This from GOARCH explains the Presanctified Gifts:

 

      The Lenten Liturgies


      INTRODUCTION


The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts is of very early and, in a sense, practical origin; practical in that it was seen as the means for the faithful to commune of the Sacrament on days when the Eucharistic Liturgy could not be celebrated. In early times, at least until the fourth century, Communion was considered so much a part of the Eucharistic Sacrifice that it was unthinkable to attend without partaking. In fact, the faithful sometimes received the Sacrament more often than they attended the Liturgy, usually celebrated on Sunday only, the Lord's Day, and this by virtue of taking the Sacrament home, in a special "arca "fashioned for this purpose. Tertullian testifies to the practice when he asks, "Will not your husband know what it is that you secretly consume before any other food?" In Syria the practice was still current in the sixth century. John Moschos, a spiritual writer of the period, speaks of the faithful taking home with them on Holy Thursday enough of the Eucharist to last the year.


Of all the Lenten rules, one is unique to Orthodoxy, and so gives us a key to its liturgical spirit: it forbids the celebration of the Divine Liturgy on weekdays in Lent, as incompatible with fasting, the sole exception being the Feast of the Annunciation. But so as not to deprive the faithful of "the food of immortality", the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts is prescribed, that is, a "Eucharistic synaxis" without the Consecration. The festal nature of the Eucharist is thus reserved for Saturdays and Sundays in Lent, while on the days of total fasting, Wednesdays and Fridays, the people receive the Holy Gifts that were sanctified on the previous Sunday.


The Presanctified was from the start an evening service, Communion following Vespers, to be conducted after the Ninth Hour, i.e. three o'clock in the afternoon. The daylong fast was thus broken early in the evening, much as the total fast on Sunday is broken after Communion. It is likely that this service was not always confined to Lent, but was common to all of the Church's fasting seasons. However, permeated as it is with the "bright sadness" of Lent, it has taken on a special beauty and solemnity. As we pray for the Catechumens, those being made ready for Holy Baptism on Easter Saturday, we sense a direct connection with the Christian Church of the early centuries, and understand the initial character of Lent as preparation for Baptism and for Easter.


But it is the Prayers of the Faithful that really illuminate the Lenten road, giving us a fuller understanding of the meaning and purpose of the Lenten discipline:
"Liberate all our senses from killing passion, setting over them as benevolent sovereign our inner reason. Let the eye be averted from every evil sight, and the ear be deaf to idle talk. May the tongue be purged of unseemly speech. Purify these lips that praise You, Lord. Make our hands abstain from wicked deeds, doing only such things as are pleasing to You, thus sealing with Your grace all our members, and our mind."
Then, as we prepare for the Entrance of the pre-consecrated Gifts: "Behold, His spotless body and life giving blood are about to make their entrance at this hour, to be laid on this mystical table, invisibly attended by a multitude of the heavenly host. Grant that we may receive them in blameless communion, so that as the eyes of our understanding see the light, we may become children of light and of day."



#8 Father David Moser

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:57 PM

The presanctified gifts are not symbolic but are in fact the Most Holy Body and Most Precious Blood of Christ which were presanctified at the liturgy of the previous Sunday. The so called Presanctified Liturgy is in fact not a liturgy at all, but a Vespers service with the distribution of the Mysteries added to it - there is no consecration performed as the consecration has already been accomplished (hence the name "presanctified"). The reason for this is that the celebration of the Divine Liturgy is not permitted on weekdays of Great Lent as it is essentially a resurrectional service. In order to provide us with the chance to receive the Mysteries more frequently during Great Lent, an additional lamb is consecrated and intincted with the precious Blood at the Sunday Liturgy and set aside. At the presanctified Liturgy it is brought forth and given to those who wish to receive.

The length of the entrance is a matter of local custom, however, because these are already the Holy Mysteries and not simply bread and wine that will be transformed, it is most often prudent to transport them as little as possible and hence the "short" entrance (although in most Slavic traditions this is the same as the Great Entrance in the Divine Liturgy).

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#9 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:12 PM

There is an issue about whether the wine poured into the chalice becomes the Precious Blood of Christ. This has been mentioned in another thread.



#10 Angie

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:39 PM

Thank you



#11 Ilya Zhitomirskiy

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:55 PM

Yes, it is true. Both the OCA and ROCOR parishes that I have been to do that, but there is no distinction between the length of the Small or Great Entrance in the ROCOR parishes and in most of the OCA parishes. The shorter entrance would make more sense, IMHO, because the gifts are already consecrated, and the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts has a more subdued tone in comparison to the "standard" Liturgies. 







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