I have heard some preach strange doctrines in the Orthodox Church about the Bible. The Bible according to the Church fathers is perfect and without error. As fr John Whiteford defends so powerfully here.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 12:50 PM
I know of no fathers saying that the scriptures were perfect, the canon as we know it was not finalized until the first. councle of Nacia. Only after this did the bilbe as we know it come int being. The idea that the bile is without error is a recent (last 300 years or so) doctrine of the reformed Protestant church and dose not stand up to any scholarly criticism, the fact we translate the texts being the first point, no translation is perfect. unfortunately the eronios view of the scriptures had come in with some who converted and are now trying to justify their personal view rather than read what holy tradition and the Fathers are atuly saying.
Part of the issue with saying that the Bible is perfect is that we elevate it to a near divine level and it becomes an idol. we worship God in Trinity and the scriptures show us this along with holy tradition and the services, the Word of God is not the text but Christ himself God incarnate.
Posted 12 March 2014 - 02:07 PM
This is very much a western question, prompted by the influence of Protestantism. Orthodox faith and doctrine are Apostolic and existed, as Phoebe indicates, before the canon of scripture was settled and indeed before the Gospels were written. Questions as to the Bible's (one assumes the Septuagint and NT are meant) being 'perfect' or 'inerrant' are futile since they depend on what is meant by 'perfect' and 'inerrant'.
Posted 12 March 2014 - 02:48 PM
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:45 PM
Antonios asks the question I was going to ask. Certainly, the GOARCH website states that only the original language version of the Holy Scriptures is inspired by God, and not the translations most of us must use:
God's inspiration is confined to the original languages and utterances, not the many translations. There are 1,300 languages and dialects into which the Holy Bible, in its entirety or in portions, has been translated. This does not mean that the translations do not convey the meaning of the Bible for spiritual uprightness of the readers in their own language. On the contrary, the Bible should be spread and preached to "all nations." The missionaries in foreign lands learn the language or the dialect of the new area into which they bring the Bible and other religious teachings.
As to the word 'perfect', the OED has eighteen definitions, before one arrives at the list of technical definitions.
Edited by Andreas Moran, 12 March 2014 - 04:46 PM.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 06:02 PM
I preface by saying I'm not a theologian.
Aaron R, I don't think you mean anything different from what Andreas is saying.
I have no problem saying the Bible is perfect. I would say that the Bible is 'perfect' and therefore 'inerrant' because it is inspired by God. But it is not 'perfect' and 'inerrant' without the Church, which correctly interprets it. It is perfect in the hands of the one holy and apostolic church.
Is contradiction a measure of imperfection? Then I would say the Bible does NOT contradict itself, again, if in the hands of the one holy and apostolic church.
Does this make sense.
Edited by Salaam Yitbarek, 12 March 2014 - 06:02 PM.
Posted 12 March 2014 - 06:28 PM
We must say that in its original language the Bible does not contain mistakes and contradictions; it is inspired by God. That does not mean that we can take a Protestant or Evangelical view of literalness. What I think is the problem is the use of the word 'perfect' since it is not clear what this denotes.
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