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#1 Peter Simko

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 04:24 PM

Friends,

 

On the Revised Julian Calendar this year, the commemoration of the Forty Martyrs of Sebaste falls on Wednesday after Meatfare Sunday, meaning there is no Divine (or Pre-Sanctified) Liturgy served.  Because of the rank of the commemoration, I have seen one OCA calendar note that their service is to be transferred to today, along with the appropriate readings, &c.  Since this is one of the more blatant clashes in the mix of Julian Paschalion and Revised Julian Calendar, has there been established a single way to address this, or is it something each local Church in this situation must determine for itself?  Thank you.



#2 Phoebe K.

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 07:28 PM

having just checked the calendar published by the Orthodox fellowship of St John the Baptist (which uses the revised calendar) it states that there is a liturgy tomorrow and gives the readings appropriate for the feast as well as the readings for vespers today.  The fellowship's calendar is checked prior to publication by Metripolitan Kilostos, and is used by parishes from all jurisdictions (on the revised calendar) in the UK since the fellowship is a panorthodox organisation.

 

On the calendar published by the Romanian diocese of Western  Europe it includes in the days when liturgies are not celebrated the Wednesday and Friday of Cheesefare week.

 

I suspect (and it is just my thoughts here) that each bishop can deal with a major fest falling on an aliturgical day in the way he sees fit pastoral for his flock in relation to the common practice of his patriarchate, which would lead to a variety in the way things are done.

 

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#3 Rdr Daniel (R.)

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 07:54 PM

To echo what Phoebe has said we are also celebrating the Divine Liturgy (of St John Chrysostom) this Wednesday, so I think there is a general exception being made to the regulations around Cheesefare week -at least in the U.K.  

 

In regard to the clash between the new calendar and the old Paschalion this is one of the main issues with the Revised Julian Calendar it creates mayhem during the periods of the Triodion and Pentecostarion: We have feasts which should never be in the Lent (e.g. St Mark's day) falling in Lent and feasts such as this (which presume the use of the Triodion) falling before Lent, leaving the rubrics somewhat lacking. Not to mention the abolishment of the Apostles fast whenever Pascha falls later. To be honest we really need to either agree on a new new calendar (including a Paschalion) which upholds the decisions taken at the council of Nicea, or return to the old calendar which is two weeks out but at least does not mess up the liturgical cycle so much and would mean we were all celebrating on the same days again.

 

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#4 Loucas

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 01:17 PM

We do not have a scheduled liturgy today, however the Archdioceses web-site clearly has the reading today for the Martyrs.

http://www.goarch.or...te=3/9/2016&D=W



#5 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:37 PM

Like Daniel, we had the Divine Liturgy this morning. The weather was (and remains) suitably cold!



#6 Jean-Serge

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 10:57 AM

Which shows that the new calendar is far from perfect. All the instructions of the typikon regarding the 40 martyrs describe how to celebrate the feast when it falls during Lent, because it is supposed to fall during lent, but with the new calendar, it can fall outside lent which was not forecasted at all when the order or services was defined.



#7 Peter Simko

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:57 PM

Well, as long as the Revised Julian Calendar has been around, I would expect someone to have compiled, in some language, a sort of Revised Julian Typikon or perhaps a sort of addendum to an existing Typikon to address these issues, but I am unaware of any.  In the west, there at least seems to be no general way of approaching such issues as the date of the commemoration of the Holy Forty Martyrs this year.






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