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#1 Algernon

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:29 PM

Why do the priests wave a cloth over the altar during the Creed?

 

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#2 Phoebe K.

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:00 PM

During the Creed the Priest or Priests hold the Aer above the gits, it is part of the rituals of the service, I think it has something to do with the Spirit hovering of er the gifts as the Spirit hovered over the waters in creation.  I will have a look at what the writings of the saints say after I get back form Liturgy tomorrow.

 

The Aer is placed over the gifts during the Proscomide service and cared by the deacon on his solders in the Great entrance.

 

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#3 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 11:19 AM

In the practice with which I am familiar, the aer is waved over the discos and chalice during the first articles of the Creed and the priest then folds the aer and moves it in a circular anticlockwise manner over the discos and chalice at the point articles which begins, 'And in the Holy Spirit'. When priests are concelebrating, each holds the aer or its tapes and the chief celebrant then proceeds as mentioned. Otherwise, the actions are said to symbolize the action of the Holy Spirit as Phoebe mentions.


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#4 Algernon

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 09:28 AM

Does anyone know why it is done at that time? Why during the Creed and not during the Anaphora at "Send down Thy Holy Spirit upon us and upon these Gifts here offered..."?

 

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#5 Dcn Alexander Haig

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 01:01 PM

It seems probable, at least to me, that originally this was a practical action which has subsequently been given a symbolic interpretation; perhaps it was to stop a fly going into the chalice?



#6 Olga

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 01:26 PM

The shaking of the cloth also represents the earthquake which occurred at the time of Christ's death on the cross.The Creed, being a summary of what the Church teaches about Christ, His mission, and the world to come, ties in with this.



#7 Lakis Papas

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 09:43 PM

Mr Haig is right.

#8 Kosta

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 03:56 AM

That would predate even the Eucharist. Animal sacrifice would have required a way to keep flying insects from defiling the offering. Waving a fan wold do the trick while a breeze is symbolic of the presence of the pneuma

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 09:09 AM

 ...a breeze is symbolic of the presence of the pneuma

Very interesting observation.



#10 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 11:29 AM

'Pneuma' is. of course, Greek for both wind and Spirit.

 

Incidentally, 'Mr' Haig is Fr Dcn Alexander.

 

As to why the aer is not waved over the holy gifts at the anaphora (#post 4), I can only think that the actual words of invocation are a direct prayer to God and so alone suffice.



#11 Peter Simko

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 02:48 PM

Well, during the Anaphora, the deacons would already be waving the hexapteriga over the gifts.  The image of the Holy Spirit hovering over the face of the deep is replaced with the heavenly image of the bodiless hosts surrounding the Throne of God as the created Gifts become the Divine Gifts.






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