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#1 Angelos

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 11:37 PM

Is the below in line with Orthodox thought?

As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body. Christ dwells on earth in his Church. the redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. "The kingdom of Christ (is) already present in mystery", "on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom".

Christ the Lord already reigns through the Church, but all the things of this world are not yet subjected to him. the triumph of Christ's kingdom will not come about without one last assault by the powers of evil.

Since the Ascension God's plan has entered into its fulfilment. We are already at "the last hour"."Already the final age of the world is with us, and the renewal of the world is irrevocably under way; it is even now anticipated in a certain real way, for the Church on earth is endowed already with a sanctity that is real but imperfect."Christ's kingdom already manifests its presence through the miraculous signs that attend its proclamation by the Church.

Though already present in his Church, Christ's reign is nevertheless yet to be fulfilled "with power and great glory" by the King's return to earth. This reign is still under attack by the evil powers, even though they have been defeated definitively by Christ's Passover. Until everything is subject to him, "until there be realized new heavens and a new earth in which justice dwells, the pilgrim Church, in her sacraments and institutions, which belong to this present age, carries the mark of this world which will pass, and she herself takes her place among the creatures which groan and travail yet and await the revelation of the sons of God." That is why Christians pray to hasten Christ's return by saying to him: Maranatha! "Our Lord, come!"

According to the Lord, the present time is the time of the Spirit and of witness, but also a time still marked by "distress" and the trial of evil which does not spare the Church and ushers in the struggles of the last days. It is a time of waiting and watching

Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. the supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

On Judgement Day at the end of the world, Christ will come in glory to achieve the definitive triumph of good over evil which, like the wheat and the tares, have grown up together in the course of history.

When he comes at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, the glorious Christ will reveal the secret disposition of hearts and will render to each man according to his works, and according to his acceptance or refusal of grace.


#2 Paul Cowan

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 11:48 PM

What is your text source? Some of this sounds ok, some of it does not. The OC don't dwell too much on the book of Revelation.

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#3 David Lanier

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 01:16 AM

You may want to read Ultimate Things - An Orthodox Christian Perspective on the End Times. I have not read this yet, but it's on my list of reads after I get through a couple of other books.

#4 Antonios

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 06:44 AM

For whatever it's worth, I find it very well written and generally consistent with the beliefs of Orthodoxy.

#5 Alice

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:06 PM

I feel an overwhelming sense of abandonment and distancing of men and women towards religion and God in their lives, as well as in the general culture and population...as if God just doesn't fit into the equation anywhere and organized conservative Christianity is reviled....atleast in the areas of the world in which I have lived...

I think it makes the allure of 'the world' even more tempting now because of this...even more so than I remember it being even thirty to forty years ago...

I am sure the evil influences of the internet and the propoganda of the entertainment medias have not helped men in this apathy and/or abandonment of our Creator, nor have the shameful revelations of the horrible sins of ordained men within Christianity helped in a good perception of organized religion (and I don't single out any tradition here as it has happened in all of them)...

I see these days as the days in which the evil one reigns, and none of us are fully immune as we are all living as citizens within his deceptive domain.

Could we not be in the last days?

May God have mercy on us all. Amen.

#6 Owen Jones

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:52 AM

Consciousness of the Last Days or End Times is, in a sense, how every Christian ought to live. However, and this is a big however, to immanentize this consciousness into historical proofs is a serious error. The idea that there are more historical signs today of an eminent end to things is an example of gnosticism.

#7 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 09:37 AM

I remarked to my wife the other day that time seems to go so fast. She said that two elders in Russia (whom we have met as it happens) have said that this is an objective reality: time itself is accelerating and this is one of the signs of the End of Times. Has anyone heard anything on these lines? There are scriptural references which seem to allude to this eg Zephaniah 1:14 - 'The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly'. The Gospels say signs will appear in the heavens; scientists, it is reported, think the cosmos is accelerating.

 

Of course, we should try so to behave as if the end always were imminent and not try to guess the day the Lord will come again; on the other hand the same verse, Matthew 24:42, does tell us to keep watch.

 

Any thoughts?


Edited by Reader Andreas, 14 February 2015 - 09:38 AM.


#8 Paul Cowan

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 04:06 PM

60 seconds is 60 seconds.

 

Which is greater? a mile to a human or a mile to an ant? They are the same length of measure but one will get there before the other.



#9 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 07:01 PM

But suppose a second isn't as long as it used to be. Einstein, I have read, said time could accelerate.



#10 Herman Blaydoe

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 05:25 PM

It really depends on how you choose to define "time". We, as modern humans, tend to measure time as linear, as the rate that something changes, specifically as something decays. Time, according to this definition, has a beginning and an end. Other cultures tend to see time as cyclic, where the end of one cycle is merely the beginning of the next cycle, and therefore "endless". However, quantum physics shows us that there are situations where time has no meaning whatsoever.

 

Orthodox Christians often refer to the "timelessness" of eternity, which exists outside of time. We often refer to two very different concepts of time; khairos and chronos. This is the ultimate failure of Stephen Hawkings, who seems to believe that without "time", there is nothing at all. We know that God is bigger than "time", but figuring out exactly what that means, and how to express it, can be challenging.



#11 Rdr Thomas

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 06:15 PM

But suppose a second isn't as long as it used to be. Einstein, I have read, said time could accelerate.

 

Time DOES flow at different rates in different, relativistic frames of reference (rates of acceleration).  This is a cornerstone of modern physics, and it has been proven many, many times, from cesium clocks flown in orbit, to the decay of particles in a particle accelerator.

 

Whether or not this is what the elders were referring to, though, I have no idea.



#12 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 06:15 PM

I intend to ask friends who are spiritual children of the elders I mentioned to ask them for more information. My wife is reading a book by Elder Sophrony in which he says the end of times is near.



#13 Paul Cowan

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:40 AM

My salvation is only affected by the 252,288,000,000,000 seconds I am on this earth (80 years). I doubt any one of them will move any faster than any other.



#14 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 07:35 AM

I doubt it, too - but they might all go a bit faster at the same rate! ;)



#15 Seraphim of the Midwest

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:20 AM

I remarked to my wife the other day that time seems to go so fast. She said that two elders in Russia (whom we have met as it happens) have said that this is an objective reality: time itself is accelerating and this is one of the signs of the End of Times. Has anyone heard anything on these lines? There are scriptural references which seem to allude to this eg Zephaniah 1:14 - 'The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly'. The Gospels say signs will appear in the heavens; scientists, it is reported, think the cosmos is accelerating... Any thoughts?

 

I am a physicist* and my thought is that the elders are correct and very insightful. Good comment.

 

(* Applied physicist, I work in computers, not as a professor nor a theoretical physicist)



#16 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 11:04 AM

Thank you very much for that.






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