St. John and the angel in the book of Revelation
Posted 14 June 2010 - 12:00 PM
how do we understand this when we venerate the Saints and Holy Angels.
obviously this does not contradict our veneration of The Saints and Angels, so can somebody please help me understand this from our Holy Orthodox Tradition?
Posted 14 June 2010 - 05:40 PM
Posted 14 June 2010 - 08:51 PM
Do your Protestant friends remove their hats and cover their hearts when they say the Pledge of Allegiance? When they do so are they violating Scripture by worshipping a piece of cloth? How is this different than the respect shown to the saints? I would love to hear their answer.
Herman the saluting Pooh
Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:08 PM
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The Greek for "worship" here is "proskuneo". Some translations use the word "adore".
Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:10 PM
St. Augustine (lib. 20, contra Faust, c. 21) is of opinion, that this angel appeared in so glorious a manner, that St. John took him to be God; and therefore would have given him divine honour had not the angel stopped him, by telling him he was but his fellow servant. St. Gregory (Hom. 8, in Evang.) rather thinks that the veneration offered by St. John, was not divine honour, or indeed any other than what might lawfully be given; but was nevertheless refused by the angel, in consideration of the dignity to which our human nature had been raised, by the incarnation of the Son of God, and the dignity of St. John, an apostle, prophet, and martyr.
Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:42 PM
Posted 17 June 2010 - 04:52 AM
In the OT in 2Chronicles 29.20, the congregation worshipped both God and King David who was in their prescense. While Peter declined the veneration of Cornelius, The prophet Daniel accepted over the top veneration from King Nebuchadnezzer, "Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odors unto him."(Dan 2.46)
In Joshua 5.14, Joshua fell on his face and worshipped the angel. In this instance though, it can be interpreted that the angel who is described as the captain of the Lord's host and a sword drawn in his hand, is either a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ or the archangel Michael. If its the archangel then we can see how more rigidly the word proskuneo is interpreted by the NT authors while in the OT its more lenient also meaning veneration.
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