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#1 Angelos

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:21 PM

When God created Satan and the other demons, He must have pre-known that they would "fall". So the question is: Why did He created them? I see Satan and the demons as part of God's salvation plan. The instruments through which our "free will" is tested to see whether we are made of clay or made of gold. Is that in line with Orthodox thought?

#2 Owen

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 08:31 PM

God created all things out of love. Creating creatures out of live means, for one thing, that if they are endowed with will, that will must be free, since an antomaton, or any creature in a deterministic system, cannot freely respond to an act of love. But granting free will also involves granting the beloved creature the freedom to accept or reject God's love.

So, God programs a set of paths that branch out from each choice-point available to His creatures, and He designs them such that he may bring out good as a consequence, either to the beloved creature, or to others, even from the choice of rejecting Him.

#3 Evan

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 09:10 PM

I don't know. But He who created Satan suffered through everything that he brought into the world through his rebellion, and He showed through His resurrection that sin and will not have the last word.

"When the same Abba Anthony thought about the depth of the judgements of God, he asked, 'Lord, how is it that some die when they are young, while others drag on to extreme old age? Why are there those who are poor and those who are rich? Why do wicked men prosper, and why are the just in need?' He heard a voice answering him, 'Anthony, keep your attention on yourself; these things are according to the judgement of God, and it is not to your advantage to know anything about them."

From "The Sayings of the Desert Fathers."

#4 Ben Johnson

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:11 AM

I think the Apostle Paul wrote that the beginning of evil is a mystery.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:08 AM

When God created Satan and the other demons, He must have pre-known that they would "fall".

In the book of Genesis there is no mention that God created Satan . And everything that God created, He saw that it was good. If Lucifer became Satan and some of the good angels turned into demons, if God had 'pre-known' this, it was / is not His Creation plan; He did/do not need evil to make the good shine;However, if Lucifer made evil be possible, God made/make possible for gold to shine out of evil

#6 Edward Henderson

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 12:52 AM

When God created Satan and the other demons, He must have pre-known that they would "fall". So the question is: Why did He created them? I see Satan and the demons as part of God's salvation plan. The instruments through which our "free will" is tested to see whether we are made of clay or made of gold. Is that in line with Orthodox thought?


We cannot know exactly why God has done anything- it remains a mystery. However, it has been revealed to us, the God perfectly respects the freedom of His creation. God does not compel us to love or obey or even believe in Him. Secondly, God is not the author of evil, nor did He create Satan or the demons. God created the Angels, Lucifer being one of them. Lucifer freely chose to rebel against God and other angels freely chose to follow Lucifer. Thus, Lucifer became Satan, which literally means "accuser" or "adversary", and the other angels that followed him, became demons or devils. The Church Father are quite clear that evil is simply the absence of good.

What God permits is not always the same with what He wills.

#7 David Lanier

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:29 AM

I tend to agree that Satan is part of God's plan for our salvation somehow. In the book of Job Satan has to get permission from God to tempt Job to curse God and besiege him with all kinds of calamity.

Sorry I don't remember the exact chapter and verses where that is, but I remember the story nonetheless.

#8 Owen Jones

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 12:25 PM

What kind of God would create a world He knew He would have to save? Such a God is unknowable by human intellect, and the unknowability of God in His Essence is at the core of Orthodox theology, as opposed, say, to American Protestantism which makes exactly the opposite claim. Holy Scripture works through this universal problem by depicting certain conflicts that we can all relate to personally and experientially, and not just as some historical artifact. So this question or problem is dealt with, not as an intellectual conundrum to be solved, by through our ascetic endeavors, by which our intellect is purified and we are able to sense God in things that were hidden to us before. But it is not entirely useless to employ rational logic on the subject. We know that the world is a mess and that people are messed up. There are only two alternatives. Either God screwed up when He created, or we have screwed up.

#9 Paul Cowan

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 09:28 PM

Can we have an option C? I don't do multiple choice questions well. Besides, we've been doing the blame game since the Garden. Why stop now?

#10 S. Rey

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 10:45 PM

I may not be the best authority on this subject, but God did not create Satan. Nowhere is this mentioned in the Scriptures, nor is this established by Holy Tradition. God can not be the creator of evil, because "He saw that everything was good." Satan and his angels, created good, have fallen from the grace of God. Indeed He foreknew that such thing would happen, but it was ultimately for our good.

There is an interview with His Eminence Bishop Hilarion on this subject here: http://www.pravmir.c...rticle_318.html.

#11 Archimandrite Irenei

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:25 AM

A fundamental, foundational belief of Christianity is that God has created all that exists (out of nothing, ex nihilo, lest we blame 'faulty parts'), and hence created it good, since God does not create evil. Thus evil, when and where it exists, is never a result of the natural order, of nature or 'essence'. It is always the fruit of action, of economy. And this is as true with respect to the devil as it is with each of us.

INXC, Fr Irenei

#12 Ivan Miletic

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 04:06 PM

It's interesting given that God created good, that Christianity in general spends so much energy on contemplating the fall from Grace which is connected to sin and, ultimately evil. To me it really is a seeking of God and ultimately communion with Him that is key. To me this propensity to know God shows the two way street we need to recognize in all of this. It seems that evil is expounded relative to good, and we and God both, are making an effort to confront it and to overcome it, no matter where it came from initially. One difficult thing is that we need to recognize the source of evil is somehow connected to the free will we have and the personal choice we all have to either do evil or to not do it.

#13 Nina

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 05:15 AM

In the book of Genesis there is no mention that God created Satan . And everything that God created, He saw that it was good. If Lucifer became Satan and some of the good angels turned into demons, if God had 'pre-known' this, it was / is not His Creation plan; He did/do not need evil to make the good shine;However, if Lucifer made evil be possible, God made/make possible for gold to shine out of evil


Yes, Satan's name was Eosphoros (Lucifer) which means 'he who brings light'. We know also from tradition that he was one of the most beautiful angels created, however he wanted to become God and also he got very jealous for the first created man.

When the other angels who followed him started falling, Archangel Michael pronounced the words we use in Liturgy today. Can you imagine how beautifully our Liturgy always ties us to that moment in time? Amazing, no?

#14 Lakis Papas

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 09:15 PM

Hell is the 'salvation' of Satan. Evil has no ground in Hell. We mistakenly think that evil will exist forever.




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