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#61 Seraphim of the Midwest

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 11:51 PM

Not sure how that passage relates to men behaving likes beasts in the field.

 

PS Probably an insult to animals.

 

I meant males. Again to digress, my brother asked a neighbour why he had a mistress.

'I wouldn't do with my wife what I do with my mistress! What kind of a man do you think I am?'

 

Even feral cats in heat will come around if there are resources like food and shelter.  At least they are honest about their motivations and don't consider themselves superior.  WASP women also practice polyandry, just usually in a serial fashion.  I have found that women "in heat" are quite passionate, and I have discussed how divorce is quite a prevalent sexual sin that is more common among females than males.  That was very on-topic for the forum.

 

Please explain to me how this become male bashing?  It is not impressive.  It is nauseating (if for no other reason than it lacks originality as well as truth).



#62 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 12:14 AM

Not male bashing. You generalise too much about women.



#63 Seraphim of the Midwest

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 12:21 AM

No, I don't.  It is just politically incorrect to call things like they are.  And I am not afraid to do so.  Fortunately, the Church Fathers were not so weak as to give in to political correctness.

 

I have yet to see any evidence that divorce within the Church is any different in form than that which takes place in the surrounding culture.  The sad fact is that it is isn't that much different.  In fact, I would expect that within the Church, it is more polarized, with women initiating far more than 70% of the time.

 

Misandry is also rampant.  Especially in Churches in the diaspora within WASP cultures.



#64 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 12:42 AM

I'm not inclined to political correctness. What is your evidence for what you say about women initiating divorce in the Orthodox Church? Where does the figure of 70% come from?



#65 Seraphim of the Midwest

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 12:42 AM

So, my wife sees me getting irritated and asked me to stop writing.  She is the most beautiful, responsible, loving, caring, and pius woman I have ever met.  And she despises feminism with a passion.

 

She pointed out that dialog on forums does not really change anyone's mind.  I argued that it was for posterity.  She suggested that I come and spend time with her.  I think she is looking forward to the affection and intimate conversation that I provide to her so often, as that is what women desire most often.  I think that is a much better idea than tit-for-tat here.

 

I hope that my contribution allows for some others to discuss such matters without fear of retribution due to feminist influences in their culture (and within the Church).



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:17 AM

Enough of the secular sociology, folks, and back to the topic at hand: The differences of passions between the genders, from Orthodox tradition.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 04:50 AM

No, in the surrounding culture because t. It is just politically incorrect to call things like they are. And I am not afraid to do so. Fortunately, the Church Fathers were not so weak as to give in to political correctness.

I have yet to see any evidence that divorce within the Church is any different in form than that which takes place in the surrounding culture. The sad fact is that it is isn't that much different. In fact, I would expect that within the Church, it is more polarized, with women initiating far more than 70% of the time.

Misandry is also rampant. Especially in Churches in the diaspora within WASP cultures.


We would not see any statistical difference between church divorce and what is taking place in the surrounding culture because collectively we are that culture. The surrounding culture is us.

In times past, men seemed to be the more carnal because of a different socio-economic model. Single motherhood was a detriment (still is), not having a husband as a safety net was a near death sentence ( with todays dna testing, women easily finding employment, etc, having a legally recognized husband for financial support is less important). A man had more oppurtunity to "sow his oats" and women had more of an incentive to be reserved while trying to hook that one successful male.

I think the passions of the flesh are equal barring any hormonal imbalance. While graphic hardcore porn is more viewed by men, this same industry has absolutely no problem recruiting scores of young women to feature in them. The porn industry in California recieves thousands of female applicants every day.

It is all cultural, and its up to society to decide what rules of norm they will follow and what things they will stigmatize and suppress as against their values. Those Christian values that had prevailed have now eroded, being replaced by a new paradigm. Hence there is no difference in the vices of secular society and Church society because collectively the secular are our successors. We are closer to them than they are to us.

Edited by Kosta, 01 December 2014 - 04:58 AM.


#68 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:21 AM

If what Kosta says - that Orthodox Christians are no different from those around them in their society - is so, that is profoundly sad. What, then, is the point of their being Orthodox? It isn't true of all practising Orthodox Christians, though.


Edited by Reader Andreas, 01 December 2014 - 08:27 AM.


#69 Kosta

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:43 AM

Sad it is, but its also true.  I usually dont  like to blame demons for our shortcomings like some do who say the demons prefer to knock down Orthodox christians than heterodox ones. While this may be true its a cop out to justify our sins.

 

The fact is christianity's center is and has been the west. No one speaks of  'Christendom' in reference to Asia, its always in reference to Europe. And it is the west that is technologically more advanced and politically more influential globally which is the precise reason we are more prone to sinning. The modern day western values; her institutions, and her very citizens are the successors of christendom,  Who are the people that constitute our secular cultural surroundings; but our very own cousins, uncles, parents, friends?  The nominalists are simply one generation removed from the tiny remnant of the devout. We are more like them than we are to our great great grandparents whose agrarian more simple upbringing cherished church as the center of their community.


Edited by Kosta, 01 December 2014 - 08:47 AM.





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