"But it's too legalistic and ritualistic! You need to come back to church elsewhere!"
Posted 05 August 2011 - 06:50 AM
Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:36 PM
Not sure "they" are going to be open to Patristics. You might point them towards Leviticus. God was pretty specific on how He wanted His people to worship. Orthodox worship is based on Temple worship. Then point them towards Revelation and point out how Orthodox worship is modeled on the Apostle John's description of Heavenly worship. Isn't a good thing to worship God the way the angels do?
Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:48 PM
Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:58 PM
Will this convince your family and friends - no. My parents had to see the effect over many years of being Orthodox before they saw the difference and began to accept that this was indeed a good thing (for me). But it does give you a basis for understanding and acting on the "rituals" and "legalism" of the Church and as you live that life, the results will provide for them some evidence that maybe something good is here. In the meantime begin praying to the Mother of God asking her to open the path for you to attend the Orthodox Church. She will take care of you.
Fr David Moser
Posted 07 January 2012 - 04:50 PM
Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:56 PM
Likewise, even though they had no rituals, they managed to do things the same way every Sunday and begin and end prayers in exactly the same way every time they prayed. I saw this in informal prayer, as well.
HAHAHAHA. Yes, I can totally appreciate this. They all start off 'Lord, we just ask....." and for any meals always end with "Bless this food to the nourishment of our bodies and the hands that prepared it." That cracks me up every time I hear it. Not that it's a bad thing to offer prayer for mind you, but WHEN EVERY PERSON IN EVERY SETTING SAYS IT, it's freakin hilarious. I even mentioned this to a few "of them" and now they are listening for it too and I can hear snickers across the room as they are picking up on what is being said.
Don't worry about "the cult" you joined. As long as you 'believe in JESUS' (as the most minimilistic thing) then you just might be ok and get saved one day. At least that's what my family hopes for me. hahahahaha I love 'em.
Posted 05 April 2012 - 01:56 PM
Some days, you don't want to take a shower, or vacuum the carpet, or unload the dishwasher. But you do it anyway. That's the value of Orthodox worship. Orthodox Christians inculcate in ourselves, through God's grace in prayer and worship, the habit of seeking a Christ-like life. I did not understand these things for many years, as a cradle Orthodox Christian; I often felt that I was condemned to going to church forever without some sort of "religious experience." But there is the greatest value in everything we do as the Church; that is, we do it, even when we don't feel like it, even when we succumb to our passions, even when we resist, even when we groan at the effort of prostrations, even when you bemoan the fact that you can't have that cup of coffee first thing Sunday morning like you do every other day of the week.
It is so hard to show up and do Orthopraxy. It is why there is such great value in it; we are all doing it together, for and with each other. I am blessed to be part of a great parish with a great parish life and community. More than half the parish travels over an hour one way each Sunday to liturgy. I am fortunate enough to have a regular car pool group for that trip. It is a very hard trip on my own, and sometimes, when the other members of my group are not able to come (some of them are older and have serious health problems), I succumb to my sloth and remain at home on Sundays. But through their prayers and their faithfulness, my fellow commuters have helped me desire to attend church more regularly. This is the greatest blessing I've received. And it is all because of that legalistic ritual of weekly attendance at the divine services and regular communion at eucharistic services.
Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:00 PM
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