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Apostolic Canon 34, on primacy of honour, etc.


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#1 Vasily

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 01:01 PM

Glory to Jesus Christ,

Canon 34 of the Apostolic Canons generally states," primacy of honor", or "first amongst equals". Is it the Orthodox that make this claim and does the Latin Wet recognize this canon?
Is it true that Rome's authority and approval made a council ecumenical and legitimate?


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#2 Rdr Daniel (R.)

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 04:29 PM

I am not sure about the Canon as I have not the time to at the moment. But in regard to Rome's authority no the ecumenical councils where not made legitimate by Rome. In fact legitimate is not the best word to use, rather the councils that met upon the calling of the Emperor, were only ecumenical beacuse they were accepted by the Church at large from the bishops to the layman as the Church was guided by the Holy Spirit.

Infact the Second Council the Pope did not attend, nor did the pope attend the fifth council although he was in the City at the time, indeed he decreed that it not take place without him but was flatly ignored. The sixth council he held a council before hand and then send legates in his place which with his aproval condemn a fomer pope Pope Honorius I as a heretic.

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#3 Herman Blaydoe

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 04:52 PM

The first act of subsequent councils was generally to rule on the legitimacy of the councils that preceded them. If all we needed was the Pope, why did we need councils at all?

Just a thought, not a sermon.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:56 AM

The phrase primacy of honor (presveia tis timies) is indeed the wording used in the canon 28 of Chalcedon. The concept of first among equals is what is espoused by canon 34 . Yes the latin church recognizes these canons, but there not considered a big deal in Rome.

The church of Rome and her bishops never played a major role in the ecumenical councils except at the council of chalcedon. Councils are recognized as ecumenical in time when the oikomene embraces them, as Herman and Daniel have pointed out. All the councils were called by emperors and it was they who confirmed them. A good case study would be the council of Ephesus. Both Cyril of Alexandria and John of Antioch were banished at the end of the council, as the emperor was fed up with there bickering and fighting. They were recalled, but the decress of the council of Ephesus held in 431 A.D. did not become ecumenical until Cyril and John reconciled in 433ad. This reconciliation is found in the letter of reunion, basically John of Antioch accepted the title Theotokos as dogmatic and the anathemas against Nestorius, While Cyril embrased the Antiochan school's theology of the two natures. Later this letter of union written by Cyril in 433 was presented at Chalcedon as a canonical epistle.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:17 PM

The information regarding Canon 34 was from the following websites: goarch.org/ourfaith; orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/canonlaw;Orhodoxchristianinformationcenter- an article by Michael Whelton, entitled,' Two Paths-Papal Monarchy-Collegial Tradition. He discusses Canon 34 of the Apostolic Canons.




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