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#1 Brad D.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:27 PM

Do Orthodox receive the Eucharist on Good Friday?

#2 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:50 PM

No - there is no liturgy on Great and Holy Friday.

#3 Brian Rowlands

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 01:24 PM

No - there is no liturgy on Great and Holy Friday.


Save on the very rare occasions when it falls on Friday 25th March.

#4 Fr Raphael Vereshack

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

Save on the very rare occasions when it falls on Friday 25th March.


I'd have to look into this more closely- but my understanding is that if Annunciation and Holy Friday coincide, then the feast is translated to the next day (ie Holy Saturday).

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#5 Peter Simko

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

Just to note, it seems that the Eastern Rite Catholics celebrated the Annunciation with a Liturgy when it fell on their Good Friday back in 2005. The Latin Catholics apparently moved the Annunciation into April. I'd be very interested to find out how the feast moves or is celebrated in conjunction with the Holy Week services of Friday.

Life and Death coinciding in such a way is certainly something to ponder...

#6 Peter Simko

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

Something else interesting is the fasting for the Annunciation if it falls during Holy Week:

When the feast falls on a fasting day, the fast is relaxed to permit fish, wine, and oil (exception: when
Annunciation falls during Holy Week, wine and oil (but not fish) are permitted; when Annunciation falls on
Holy Friday or Holy Saturday, wine (but not oil or fish) are permitted).


From http://www.newbyz.or...doxservices.pdf

#7 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

http://almoutran.com/pdf/typikon.pdf

This says, at pp 319-322, that if the Feast of the Annunciation falls on Great and Holy Friday, it is combined with Pascha so that joyful hymns are combined with joyful hymns.

Incidentally, is the Typikon at the link given the only full English translation?

Edited by Andreas Moran, 26 March 2012 - 03:49 PM.


#8 Peter Simko

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

Interestingly, based on that Typikon, the fasting changes for Holy Friday and Saturday would be voided--except for those monastics that do not move the Annunciation. Also, would this "force" (in a good way, of course) a Kyriopascha? Or would it technically not be called Kyriopascha since it wouldn't be on the 25th?

#9 Fr Raphael Vereshack

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:11 PM

http://almoutran.com/pdf/typikon.pdf

This says, at pp 319-322, that if the Feast of the Annunciation falls on Great and Holy Friday, it is combined with Pascha so that joyful hymns are combined with joyful hymns.

Incidentally, is the Typikon at the link given the only full English translation?


Yes- this is the only thing that makes sense. A feast day celebration should never coincide with Holy Friday for any reason.

There used to be an ongoing translation into English of the Russian Typikon but it's currently offline. I forget who the priest is who was translating it.

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#10 Peter Simko

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 04:27 AM

Friends,

 

Does anyone know how Estonia or Finland are treating the Annunciation falling on Great and Holy Friday this year on the Gregorian Calendar/Paschalion?  Are they moving it and celebrating Kyriopascha or are they doing something else?



#11 Peter Simko

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 03:42 PM

Having muddled through their website today, it looks as though some Finnish Orthodox Churches will be transferring Annunciation to Bright Tuesday this year.



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Posted 27 March 2016 - 08:38 PM


Yes- this is the only thing that makes sense. A feast day celebration should never coincide with Holy Friday for any reason.

There used to be an ongoing translation into English of the Russian Typikon but it's currently offline. I forget who the priest is who was translating it.

In Christ
-Fr Raphael

 

Actually, you are not entirely correct. The rule of transferring Annunciation is an innovative rule introduced by the typikon of Violakis in the 19th century. Such typikon is used in Antioch, in Greek parish churches but not in the monasteries. The typikon of Saint Sabbas does not move the feast of Annunciation that stays at its good date whatever the circumstances might be. All the details are explained in the typikon and it takes many, many pages.  Such typikon is used in Jerusalem, Russia, Serbia, Georgia and the Mount Athos. The typikon of Violakis (that is not very happy in its choices) seems to be an evolution of the typikon of Saint Sabbas.


Edited by Jean-Serge, 27 March 2016 - 08:39 PM.


#13 Olga

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 11:52 PM

It is worth remembering that Fr Raphael has been a priest of many years' standing in the Russian church.



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Posted 28 March 2016 - 12:50 AM

Some reflections on the coincidence by "A Clerk of Oxford":

 

http://aclerkofoxfor...-fast-good.html



#15 Peter Simko

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 02:02 PM

On Saturday, Metropolitan Savas of the GOAA Metropolis of Pittsburgh mentioned in his homily that Annunciation would not be transferred if it fell on Great Friday on our calendar.  It looks like there are varying practices, from moving it to Pascha or another day in Bright Week to not moving it at all.



#16 Jean-Serge

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 04:59 PM

It is worth remembering that Fr Raphael has been a priest of many years' standing in the Russian church.

 

It is also worth reading the original sources.  The indications I gave are exactly the one of the Russian church. Many versions online of the typikon can be found with Russian font. Here is what it says at the date of March 26th in Chapter of Mark n°15 that contains the instructions for this occurence. 

 

Here is a possible link: http://www.holytrini...m#_Toc73170253 

 

о томже празднице, аще случится в великий пяток.

 

If the feast falls the Great Friday...  And then comes a long description with the instructions for the vespers on Wednesday night (В четверток вечера...), complines (Повечерие, поем малое, с трипеснцем) etc. The liturgy is served this day, it seems it a is a presanctified one (I did not have time to enter in the details but there is one. Anyway, if the feast was transfered to another day, the would not be such a long instruction but a short sentence indicating it was moved. The menaion in French that is translated from Slavonic regarding the Typikon for this Feast confirms the same.

 

В четверток вечера, на Господи воззвах, стихиры дне, 5: и праздника, 5. Слава, дне: Рождение ехидново: И ныне, праздника: Послан бысть: Вход со евангелием. Прокимен, и чтение дне: и праздника 3. ектениа малая, и возглас. и трисвятое. Прокимен, апостол, Аллилуиа, и евангелие дне, и прочая божественныя литургии великаго василиа, якоже прежде изъявися. На трапезе же разрешаем на елей и вино. Повечерие, поем малое, с трипеснцем. По трисвятом кондак дне: Слава, и ныне, праздника. [Смотри] При часе же 1-м нощи ударяет в великий и во вся тяжкая, и начинаем утреню. На Бог господь: тропарь праздника, дважды: Слава, и ныне дне: егда славнии ученицы: Посем ектениа малая. и абие диакон, или иерей глаголет: И о сподобитися нам слышания святаго евангелиа: и чтет евангелие 1-е настоятель. и потом антифоны, и евангелиа святых страстей по чину их: и по чтении 6-го евангелиа, чтение дне. Посем степенна, 1-й антифон 4-го гласа. Прокимен праздника: Всякое дыхание: евангелие праздника: и абие евангелие святых страстей, 8-е. псалом 50. стихира праздника. Таже, молитва: спаси Боже люди твоя: и Господи помилуй, 12. Канон праздника со ирмосом на 14. Катавасиа праздника, оба лика вкупе. А идеже трипеснец, поем канон праздника со ирмосом на 6: ирмос дважды, и трипеснец на 8. Катавасиа, ирмос триоди, оба лика вкупе. По 3-й песни, кондак и икос дне: Слава, и ныне, седален праздника: и чтение праздника. По 6-й песни, кондак и икос праздника: и синаксарий. На 9-й песни, честнейшую не поем: но поем припев праздника. Светилен праздника: Слава, дне: И ныне, праздника. таже евангелие 9-е. На хвалитех стихиры самогласны дне: Слава, дне: И ныне, праздника, таже евангелие 10-е. Посем, Слава в вышних: ектениа: Исполним утреннюю молитву: и возглас. Посем евангелие 11. Таже, на стиховне стихиры праздника: Слава, дне: И ныне, праздника. таже евангелие 12. Посем, благо есть исповедатися господеви: и по Отче наш, тропарь, глас 4: Искупил ны еси: Слава, и ныне, праздника. ектениа: Помилуй нас Боже: иерей: Премудрость. и отпуст, и час 1-й поем, якоже указася в великий пяток. Глаголем же на нем тропарь праздника, и дне: и кондак праздника. При часе же 5-м дне творим исхождение вне обители: и возвращшеся поем 3-й час, и 6, и 9-й, с тропари, и паремии, со апостолы, и евангелии, и чтениями, и с прочими службы их. Глаголются же в них тропари часов, великаго пятка, еже есть дне, и праздника: кондак дне, и праздника: и прочая, якоже в великий пяток указася. псалом же 33 зде оставляем, и глаголем его На Литургии. При часе же 8-м дне знаменает в великий и во вся тяжкая, и начинаем вечерню, и творит иерей проскомидию. На Господи воззвах поем стихиры дне 6: и праздника 4: Слава, дне: о како законопреступный собор: И ныне, праздника: Послан бысть: Вход со евангелием. Свете тихий: Прокимен, и чтение дне: и праздника два. Таже, ектениа малая, и трисвятое. Прокимен, апостол, Аллилуиа и евангелие прежде праздника, и дне. Причастен праздника. Совершает же ся божественная литургиа златоустаго. Вместо, достойно, поем ирмос праздника: яко одушевленному: На трапезе же ядим сухоядение, и пием вино.


#17 Kosta

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Posted 02 April 2016 - 07:13 PM

Leaving the Anunciation on Good Friday can make sense, as March 25th was considered the start of passover and the various traditions of important figures being conceived on the day of their martyrdom etc. But what if it falls on holy Saturday? Is it transfered to the next day or is Kyriopascha only when it coincides with Pascha sunday?.

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 05:47 AM

  But what if it falls on holy Saturday? Is it transfered to the next day or is Kyriopascha only when it coincides with Pascha sunday?.

 

The Annunciation according to the Julian calendar did fall on Holy Saturday in 2007. The feast was not moved to the following day. The combination of the sombre and funereal service of Great Friday evening, and the joy and brightness of the Annunciation made for a VERY interesting experience. And an even longer one than usual, of course, as few, if any, omissions to either service were made, from what I observed.



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Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:43 AM

On this website by the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America you will find some instructions for the different occasions: http://chant.hchc.edu. The website is programmed in Adobe Flash, so I can't copy and paste. Click on "Continue", then navigate to "Feasts", select "Annunciation", and in the "About the Feast" section select "Canons".

Edited by Dimitris, 04 April 2016 - 07:45 AM.





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