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Incorrect to say: "It is more important to take care of the soul, than the body"?


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#1 Christina M.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:08 PM

Is it incorrect for someone to say: "It is more important to take care of the soul, than it is to take care of the body"?

Here are my thoughts (which may be incorrect), and why I can't figure out the answer:
1) The body is going to be resurrected along with the soul.
2) Neither the soul nor the body is immortal by nature. Some (or all?) theologians say that the soul is only immortal by grace.
3) Asceticism seems to imply that it's okay to abuse the body sometimes, in order to benefit the soul.

Thanks for your thoughts! :) Sorry I've been absent so long. I've been extremely busy.

#2 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:35 PM

I was taught that the soul is immortal by grace: God alone is immortal by nature.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! Matthew 6:22-23.

Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink ; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on . Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Matthew 6:25.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness. Matthew 6:33.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live Romans 8:13
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 1 Corinthians 6:13.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:44.

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Philippians 3:21.

If the flesh were not in a position to be saved, the Word of God would certainly not have become flesh. St. Irenaeus of Lyons.

Accordingly, we ought not to serve the body any more than is absolutely necessary, but we ought to do our best for the soul, releasing it from the bondage of fellowship with the bodily appetites; at the same time we ought to make the body superior to passion. We must provide it with the necessary food, to be sure, but not with delicacies . . . Likewise in other matters we must be governed by necessity, and only give so much care to the body as is beneficial to the soul. St Basil the Great.

It is remarkable that however much we trouble about our health, however much care we take of ourselves, whatever wholesome and pleasant food and drink we take, however much we walk in the fresh air, still, notwithstanding all this, in the end we sicken and corrupt; whilst the saints, who despise the flesh, and mortify it by continual abstinence and fasting, by lying on the bare earth, by watchful¬ness, labours, unceasing prayer, make both their souls and bodies immortal. Our well-fed bodies decay and after death emit an offensive odour, whilst theirs remain fragrant and flourishing both in life and after death. It is a remarkable thing: we, by building up our body, destroy it, whilst they, by destroying theirs, built it up-by caring only for the fragrance of their souls before God, they obtain fragrance of the body also. St John of Kronstadt.

Holy Father, physician of souls and bodies, who didst send Thine Only-begotten Son our Lord Jesus Christ to heal every disease and to deliver from death, heal also Thy servants from the weakness of body and soul . . . From the Service of Unction.

#3 Rdr Daniel (R.)

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:42 PM

Dear Christina,
Christ is Risen,

The body is going to be resurrected along with the soul.

True but it is not yet resurrected, it is subject to the passions and to death until the Resurrection and must be worked with asceticism.

Neither the soul nor the body is immortal by nature. Some (or all?) theologians say that the soul is only immortal by grace.

I agree with that.

Asceticism seems to imply that it's okay to abuse the body sometimes, in order to benefit the soul.

Asceticism is not abuse of the body but about bringing it to its true function which is to work with ones soul for ones salvation, this is hard beacuse of our fallen state, but it is not abuse of the body, abuse of the body is that which is against nature, such as fortification.

This may be of some help it is the general troparion to a Sainted monastic,

"In thee, O father/mother, was the image of God revealed; * for having taken up thy Cross, and following Christ, * thou didst teach by thine own example * that the flesh is to be spurned as something fleeting, * but particular care should be bestowed upon the immortal soul, * wherefore together with the Angels thy soul rejoiceth, O Father/Mother [name]."

In the Risen Christ.
Daniel,

Edited by Daniel R., 12 May 2012 - 08:57 PM.





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