It (Feminism) is not left wing ideology, it is civility and completely consistent with Christian values.
I understand this to say Femimism is completely compatable with Orthodoxy and Orthodox values.
In order to keep the thread about Women as Priests on track, I would like to start this new thread to allow more room to explore the Orthodox teaching and logic of the role of women in Orthodoxy.
Forgive me for asking but what is the issue with feminism? I see it as a good thing. It gave us the right to vote and not be arbitrarily beaten by our husbands. It has given us equal pay for equal work and many other positive benefits.
That's kind of what I am asking. It is from feminism that we find men's liberation. It is from feminism which seeks equality for women (and more I think) that brings into question other things such as gender roles, questions about what is masculine and what is feminine (for example the 'suffering inflicted on boys and men through their socialization into manhood).
When women are elevated into positions of authority over men in non-Church settings . . . what is the Orthodox logic here?
There is not one way to live in church and another way to live in the world; there is only the recognition that we cannot expect everything in the world that we should expect in the Church.
Yes, feminism has given us men's liberation — from the responsibilities of husbands, fathers, and gentlemen. This is well documented. The winner of the Sexual Revolution is the single man seeking casual sex.
Gender roles are essential for the formation of healthy heterosexual self-identities by the young. Raising girls the same way we raise boys denies the difference between the two and pushes both away from the roles of father and mother. The inevitable result is population decline, as women choose not to bear and raise children so as to live more like men.
Excuse me Fr. Dcn,
That sounds terrible. What do you think of women? Please don't fear us. Of course we needed feminism for equal rights and certainly, the right to vote. Many feminists were jailed to get us the right to vote. I am grateful I made a salary equal to my male co-workers for the same work. It is not left wing ideology, it is civility and completely consistent with Christian values.
I have no issue with the different roles played by men and women in the Church but I think we need to be clear about where some of our Traditions actually came from.