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Prayers for Judas Iscariot


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#141 Rdr Andreas

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:51 AM

Found this:

Judas’ repentance from Thayers lexicon

STRONGS NT 3338: μεταμέλομαι [the verb used in the Greek translated in the KJV as 'repent' at Matthew 27:3]


μεταμέλομαι; imperfect μετεμελόμην; passive, 1 aorist μετεμελήθην; 1 future μεταμεληθήσομαι; (from μέλομαι, middle of μέλω); from Thucydides down; the Sept. for נִחַם; a deponent passive; properly, it is a care to one afterward (see μετά, III. 2), i. e. it repents one; to repent oneself (in R. V. uniformly with this reflexive rendering (except 2 Corinthians 7:8, where regret)): Matthew 21:29, 32; Matthew 27:3; 2 Corinthians 7:8; Hebrews 7:21 from Psalm 109:4 (). [SYNONYMS: μεταμέλομαι, μετανοέω: The distinctions so often laid down between these words, to the effect that the former expresses a merely emotional change the latter a change of choice, the former has reference to particulars the latter to the entire life, the former signifies nothing but regret even though amounting to remorse, the latter that reversal of moral purpose known as repentance — seem hardly to be sustained by usage. But that μετανοέω is the fuller and nobler term, expressive of moral action and issues, is indicated not only by its derivation, but by the greater frequency of its use, by the fact that it is often employed in the imperative (μεταμέλομαι never), and by its construction with ἀοπ, ἐκ (cf. ἡ εἰς Θεόν μετάνοια, Acts 20:21). Cf. Trench, N. T. Synonyms, § lxix.; especially Gataker, Adv. Post. xxix.]

Edited by Andreas Moran, 01 September 2013 - 07:53 AM.

#142 Owen Jones

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:25 PM

Yes, I agree with Lakis that the essential missing ingredient from this and many discussions is duty, or, perhaps, more precisely, obedience.  We pray as we are instructed to pray out of obedience.  And as he points out, it is an obedience born of love.  However, I still think there is an underlying problem with most theological discussions today that has to do with the fallacy of trying to objectivize spiritual realities.  We do not, of course, want to make the oppositie mistake of turning the Divine Mystery into an exercise in solipsism.  But we have to account for the unknowability factor, and that is precisely why we do what we do out of obedience.  Otherwise, we are just erecting our own tower of babel. 

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