Modesty of clothing
Posted 19 May 2003 - 04:18 AM
Again, I'm not in any way being rude. I would sincerely like to know because I haven't seen anything like this before.
Posted 19 May 2003 - 02:55 PM
I haven't seen anything like this before.
I think that was Nicholas' point to. It's hard for people to find modest clothes--whether they want to wear the clothes to work, church, or whatever else. Guys usually have no problem finding some pants and a shirt that are modest (if that's what is called for, such as when a conservative Church is being attended). Girls usually have a tougher time. I think the "last straw" that motivated Nicholas to create the page was his disgust over what types of clothes they were selling to children (he has a daughter he was trying to buy clothes for). Most of the clothes are such that an adult Orthodox Christian would be ashamed to wear them, certainly they wouldn't be appropriate for children. The page also links to places that have head coverings, which a number of girls have had a hard time finding (I know, because my wife has had a hard time! ) Nicholas is not insisting that everyone go out and dress like the Amish! He offered the page as a resource for people like my wife, who want to be able to buy clothes for themselves and their families that they can't find in the normal stores.
Posted 19 May 2003 - 05:20 PM
Here in Greece we don't wear head scarves when we go to Church although I have noticed that newly arrived Russians do. The dress code here is not as strict as it appears to be in your area. Formal clothes are worn to church i.e. suits etc.. Trousers are frowned upon although there are always a few women who like to make an impression or something..... girls in their teens wear trousers because that's what they wear during the day but I don't think they're at fault - it's their mothers responsibility. When we visit monasteries we always wear a skirt and some women make sure they have a head scarf with them just in case the nuns ask them to wear one.
Thank you for the explanation.
Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:22 PM
Two incidents from the life of the holy Elder Porphyrios demonstrate the discernment we must have regarding our neighbor.
The Girl With the "Super Mini Skirt" Has a Wonderful Soul!
Years ago, when the Elder served at the Polyclinic of Athens, while walking in the area of Omonoia one day with two girls who were his spiritual children, he saw from across the street a young woman coming with a sexy appearance. She was wearing the familiar "super mini skirt" which was fashionable. When they saw her, the Elder said:
"What do you have to say? What are you thinking? Are you judging that woman?"
"No, Elder", they responded, understanding their position.
"You do well to not judge her", said the Elder. "Do not judge people from their outward appearance. That girl you see has a wonderful soul! She has a dynamic soul. That which she is doing now, that is provoking, is due to the strength of her soul. Imagine what would happen if that girl came to know Christ, and knew everything that you knew. Then she will certainly reach a high place."
This was the way Fr. Porphyrios counseled and taught. He guided through life and experience.
They Came to the Elder With Indecent Clothing
One day, when I went to the Elder, he met with some girls who had come to see him. However, they were dressed indecently. Elder Porphyrios chatted with them on various spiritual topics, but he made no comment regarding their appearance. I, admittedly, was internally indignant with these girls, who went to such a holy Elder dressed in this way, and I was scandalized by the fact that Elder Porphyrios did not make any observations.
When the girls left, he said to me, smiling:
"Mr. (so and so), I am not as strict as you are."
Of course, I knew immediately that he had captured my thoughts and scandalization. But I asked him:
"Why do you say that, Elder?"
He said then:
"Those girls came here with that appearance and I did not make a comment. I have another tactic. Because, even if I did talk about their appearance, since they have no faith in Christ, they would not comply. I first attempted to bring them to faith in Christ, and then, by themselves, they will understand their error and correct it."
Source: Ἀνθολόγιο Συμβουλῶν Γέροντος Πορφυρίου, σελ. 168, 169. Translation by John Sanidopoulos.
Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:41 PM
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