Orthodoxy and Catholicism
Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:00 PM
P.S. To the moderators, I realize posting on relations between the Orthodox Church and Christian dominations is on the border line of the scope of this forum, I think it is ok as a quick reply in this instance, but please feel free to remove it if it be not.
Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:56 PM
Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:27 PM
There was already a theological drift apart between east and west but the political situadition of the holy Roman emperor trying to bring the Rome and the other partiaches back together however this was more of the holy Roman emperor forcing his will on the other partiaches and it did not take it well.
this is explained more fully in the threads on the skisam on other parts of the websire.
Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:49 PM
Regarding the cause of the schism, it was a multitude of factors, the main being the centralising of the western bishops under the Rome with Rome wishing to exert authority over the other sees. Along with the renunciation by Rome of the Holy Synod of New Rome (Constantinople) under Saint Photius the Great (sometimes called the Eighth Ecumenical Synod/Council) due to their acceptance of the false dogma of the Filioque (that is to say the false Roman Catholic teaching that the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Son) which the Holy Synod condemned. Along with other theological and political issues.
The ultimate cause could be said to be the Franks who where against the Roman Empire in the East, insisted on the Filioque (accusing the Orthodox of removing it from the Creed), relied almost solely on Augustinian theology and wished to control Christendom using the see of Rome.
As the Roman Catholics persist in theological and ecclesiological errors they are still separate from the Church.
There have been many threads regarding the various issues which separates Rome from the other Churches, and much information can be found on Orthodox websites.
Here are two I found with the search feature I've not read through them but they about this topic
A short run through on the OODE website,
General searching of the forum for Catholic, Filioque, Papal, ect.. should find some interesting threads regarding this issue.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:43 AM
Also, if you look at so-called Western intellectual tradition, what we have today with the various nihilistic systems is a kind of iconoclasm that is in reaction to a reification of theological language symbols as if they are referring to objective facts. This objectification of the faith is something that is resisted in the East, and we fought our battle over iconoclasm much, much earlier than the post-schism Church in the West, and I think that is why Orthodoxy prevailed in the East, whereas iconoclasm was able to take hold in the West, with various nonsensical intellectual formulations and counter formulations being the status quo to this day in the "West." But to sum it up, I would argue that Orthodox theology has always been experiential (mystical) whereas in the West -- and one can debate the origins of this, going back to the influence of the Franks -- intellectual systematizing takes place. I think that Orthodox faithful should always resist the temptation to understand Christian theology as a system.
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