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Andrey Vershinin
05-07-2005, 09:44 PM
I am 18, and I have wishes to become a monk. But from what i've been reading, and noticing(maybe i'm wrong) is that Orthodoxy is becoming really corrupt.

Today is another day of questioning, as i've sinned and feel that everyone around me only makes it worse, as I don't wish to reveal pain to them, but I feel that they have nothing to help me with in such a way as only holy ones can...

But I have graduated, and now I am at the point of making a decision on what to do with my life..

Is it too late to become a monk? is Orthodoxy already far too corrupted in the monasteries? I really do wonder.. ..its either that I have a wife or I don't.. I have no time to myself, I have no untangled thoughts only when alone.. any ideas? I'd greatly appreciate help!

Boulos
06-07-2005, 01:29 AM
Dear Andrey,

I witness what u say in my following personal opinion:

Soldiers often are wounded in the battles of faith, could be captured in their sins, sometimes betrayed in their beleives in order to loose defence of the soul. Brave is who can last till the End, standing on their feet keeping the faith till the last day of the warr, resisting all temptations of the weak body. Their king will remember them often in his kingdom.

This is to say where rich faith and genuinity are, many demons are interested and encouraged to spoil, elsewise attacking a dump city is useless, no? a dump-yard is usualy always peacefull place to an extand...

Is never to late for anything, (luke.14.26 to 29), calculate and decide uppon.

In Christ we remain, with you all

Charles Carter
06-07-2005, 05:19 AM
It's never too late! Check it out for yourself man. Dare to explore. Pray that you might know God's will for you life. Be humble and patient. Romans 8.28: "And we know for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose."

Theopesta
06-07-2005, 05:52 AM
is Orthodoxy already far too corrupted in the monasteries?

the monstic struggle in the monastery and in every where is personal depend on the monk himself not on the surrounding media

the monk himself only can determine if he will live uncorruptable in the monastery or not

monk can live in anglic media but his mind in vain he not take the blessing present in the monastery

Byron Jack Gaist
06-07-2005, 07:09 AM
Dear Andrey,

Although I am no authority on monasticism or its current state in the Orthodox world, I agree with Theopesta that ultimately, it's up to the individual monk to live in obedience, poverty and chastity wherever he may be.

Congratulations on your good thoughts for taking monastic vows.

In Christ
Byron

Kosmas Damianides
06-07-2005, 02:07 PM
Dear Andrey,

Don't think that you alone can save the world.

Trust in Christ, He can help you if you let Him. Open the Bible each day and He will guide you. You have a treasure inside you and you should never lose this. unfortunately most people don't even know they have it.

There is nothing greater in life than to pray for others and to live for Christ.

The way you start your life is very important. We all have a bad starts when something new is tried, even being a Christian. Christianity is a hard ride and a tretcherous path. The devil will make you stumble and fall many times before you can start to control your passions.

May God Bless You
Pray for me
From Kosmas

Herman Blaydoe
06-07-2005, 02:33 PM
Most monasteries honor the ancient tradition of offering three days of hospitality to any who ask, and longer visits can be arranged with the abbot. I recommend you check it out for yourself. Nobody is going to lock the doors once you go in. In fact, becoming a monastic takes longer and is harder to do than most people realize. Nobody will ask you to take vows until you and the monastery in question have decided that to do so works for both parties, and can take anywhere from 6 months to 3 years or more before a serious commitment is allowed to be made.

Visit several monasteries. You can find a fairly complete listing of Orthodox monasteries in the US and Canada at Orthodox Monasteries of North America (http://omna.malf.net). Don't listen too much to those who disparage the monasteries. Some monasteries do have problems, but this has been true since the 3rd century. If it does not feel right, then it probably isn't and go check another monastery.

John P. Nasou
06-07-2005, 03:16 PM
Andrey - Orthodoxy is not corrupt! Some clergy, monks and, of course, = a multiplicity of the laity may become corrupt. If you think that this = is a new problem, read in THE RUDDER and she how many regulations have = been promulgated in our local councils from the earliest ages to = counteract such corruption and the wide variaty of sins which have = corrupted our people. Moreover it is not a phenomenon of one church = alone. Just read your newspapers. The Church Fathers have repeatedly = told us that even the sacraments offered by a corrupt clergyman have = validity until these individuals are discovered and corrected. Have = faith in your church and in those who pray for you, because Jesus is = always there. - John Nasou

Andrey Vershinin
06-07-2005, 03:17 PM
Well, the thing is that i've been to one monastery, but this was a Greek Orthodox one..I live in the State of Massachusetts, and there are barely any monasteries that are Orthodox, and I wish to go into a Russian Orthodox one. The most popular seems to be the Jordanville Holy Trinity monastary, but I called them and they blew me off by stating for me not to come for 3-4 weeks because they are full.. So I really wonder where I should go!

Jill
07-07-2005, 06:00 AM
Patience, my son, patience! Waiting 3-4 weeks is nothing compared to your life ahead.

Susan
09-07-2005, 06:15 AM
Dear Andrey,

First, the monks did respond to you.

Second, they didn't tell you never to visit, but asked you to wait for 3-4 weeks.

Finally, the monks want to meet you and you want to meet them. Monastics often say things in fewer words. Their response was not meant to blow you off, but it was to the point.

I suggest that you be obedient and call them again in 3-4 weeks as they suggested. That is what they are expecting you to do if you are still interested. Know that it is an old practice in monasticism to let a newcomer to knock at the door! You will be in my prayers.

Petros L.
09-07-2005, 09:25 PM
Check out Geronda Ephraims Monastery's. Call St. Anthony's in AZ and you can go whenever to visit. And don't believe the things you hear.

(520)-868-3188

M.C. Steenberg
09-07-2005, 10:52 PM
Obedience, which demands patience, is a virtue to be cherished in all, especially the monastic. Our will, especially in its desires for timing, is to be curbed.

Wait the weeks requested. See what comes.

INXC, Matthew

Edward Henderson
10-07-2005, 05:52 PM
Dear Andrey,

As others have said, the Church itself is not corrupt but her members are. Why?- because of sin. This is why the Church is called a hospital for sinners not a country club for the righteous. America is blessed with some wonderful monastic communities. First, you must decide the language you worship in. Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville uses Church Slavonic. However they do have a dependency in West Virginia, which uses English. Elder Ephraim has established a handful of Monasteries across North America, but they all use Greek. The "Orthodox Monasteries of North America" website gives basic information and is very good.

Petros L.
10-07-2005, 09:01 PM
Yeah it's funny Susan mentions for newcomers to knock at the door. When Elder Cleopa of Romania first went to his monastery, they made him stand at the fromt gate for days, banging a tree with a stick.

Leandros
11-07-2005, 03:16 AM
Today is another day of questioning, as i've sinned and feel that everyone around me only makes it worse, as I don't wish to reveal pain to them, but I feel that they have nothing to help me with in such a way as only holy ones can... But I have graduated, and now I am at the point of making a decision on what to do with my life..
Dear Andrey Vershinin,

I once was in the same position as you are.

I realized after many years that becoming a monk is not "a decision on what to do with my life".

I understand your intentions and I know that you mean well.

The authentic pleasure to become a monk is like being in passionate love with a specific girl: The world is an awful place; I am a failure, but I LOVE HER for no reason. I want to be with her every single minute of the day and of the night. My heart is on fire. My mind is always after her. I sleep and I wake up with her thought. She is EVERYTHING for me. I can not be without her. She is not my choice, she is my LOVE. I have no control on loving or not loving her, I feel that I was created as a person for being in this specific love with her.

Well, if Christ is in one’s heart in such a powerful way, like a girl is in one’s heart with the power of LOVE, then he is called for the monastic life. If not, then it is better to wait for the “call”.

The way for a monastery is not a decision; it’s a calling that fires in the heart.

The Christian way of life in being a husband of a wife is also a blessed way of living.

The Christian life is not realized in the way of being, but in the way of being blessed. And there are two ways of being blessed: one is with a wife, and another one without a wife.

Being with a wife is the easiest and the most comfortable way to be blessed. This is the way that is offered to everyone with the blessings of God. Millions of Christians have followed and are following this way. It makes world a better place to live and transforms the two persons involved, the wife and the husband, to angels on earth.

Being without a wife is the most difficult and hard way to be blessed. This is a way that is offered only to few with the blessings of God. Only a few from each generation are called for this way of life. It is the most demanding and the hardest way of being blessed. But the lover of Christ overcomes any obstacle because his heart is burning from His Love. Hunger, sleeplessness, weariness, cold, warmth and a life of no comfort whatsoever is for the lover of Christ like paradise on earth. Being in constant fight with his natural passions, the monk becomes a paradox on earth. He stands on earth but he lives in heaven. He sleeps for only few hours, without giving any rest to his body, and the remaining time he prays to God. He breathes air, but in his every breath he literally prays to God. He sleeps and his heart prays to God. He is constantly mourning for his sins and he is at the same time happy for the mercy of God. He becomes the most humble of all man, so that all could find the way of their salvation on his expense. He, constantly, has his mind in the hour of his death and he prepares himself for this hour to be presented in front of Christ in repentance and humbleness. The life of a monk is indeed the life of angels.

Dear Andrey Vershinin,

I find your desire somehow confused. At the same time you said: “I have wishes to become a monk” and “what I have been reading, and noticing (maybe I am wrong) is that Orthodoxy is becoming really corrupt”.

How can you wish to participate in a corrupt way of life?

It is better to test your readings about Orthodox life with the experience of a real Orthodox life and afterwards to check the monastic life. The best thing is to find a spiritual guide/priest from an Orthodox parish from whom you will be introduced into the beauty of genuine Orthodoxy. Leave the future into God’s hands. You will understand the call for the monastic life in your heart as you participate in Sacraments of Church.

Live the life of Church and let God guide your steps. Wait for many surprises, as the Spirit is transforming our lives beyond our imagination.


Today is another day of questioning, as i've sinned and feel that everyone around me only makes it worse, as I don't wish to reveal pain to them...

Let me say that your self-reproach is a good start, if it shows to you that Christ is accepting you in your current state and He is willing to take you up on His shoulder like "the Good shepherd". He does not ask you to become "someone" else, more perfect or sinless.

He just waits out of our heart's door knocking and waiting to be welcomed inside. It is important to meet with Him; the place that the meeting is taking place is irrelevant. He went in sinners' houses before; He will do it once again by visiting our hearts. His presence will transform our hearts from lightless places to all lighted up.

Our sanctification is His work, not ours. Our part is to open the door of our heart with honesty and in letting Him in and in glorifying His name and in thanking Him and asking for His Mercy.

Olga
14-07-2005, 06:06 AM
While this article starts off being humorous, it really has a lot of good and serious things to say. A cautionary tale for all of us, be we "cradle" Orthodox or converts.

Five Good Reasons NOT to Visit a Monastery

The temptations of monastic maximalism by Hieromonk Jonah (Paffhausen) of the Monastery of St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco

The priest looked out of the altar, checking to see if the choir director was ready to begin the hours before the Divine Liturgy. Just as he was ready to say, "Blessed is our God," his newest convert, Bill, made a grand entrance into the church, having just gotten back from his latest pilgrimage to another monastery. Bill -- or Vasili, as he now insisted on being called -- had been a normal young evangelical convert, clean-cut, single, and working his first job out of college. Then he discovered Orthodoxy in a bookstore, and with great zeal embraced the Faith. He was chrismated after a usual six-month catechumenate, during which he read just about every book in print on the Orthodox Faith.
After a year or so, Bill had decided to go visit monasteries. This is where his change began. He became more pious and more serious about his faith, but also started to become, well, weird. Like this Sunday morning. Bill/Vasili was not content to come in like everyone else. Rather, prayer ropes flying from his wrists, he made grand bows at the entrance to the nave, and again, the entire congregation watching, with a flourish prostrated before virtually every icon in the church. It was such a display that no one listened to the hours.
Then, just before the time the Liturgy should have begun, Bill came up to the door of the altar and announced he must have confession, or he'd be in big trouble with the holy elders. Father, being patient with zealous youths, went to hear the confession.
"I am the worst of all sinners!" Bill began as usual. Then he read his list, only four pages this morning. "And I only could do two hundred prostrations, not my usual three hundred, and only read four akathists, so I am not fully prepared for communion," he said. "Besides, I just had to have a cup of coffee, but since everyone else does anyway, can I still go to communion?"
The priest had heard it all before. What does one say? "You did all those prayers, and still had to have a cup of coffee?"
"Well, the Elder said I had to do the prayers, but I couldn't stay awake to finish them all. So I had some coffee. But doesn't everyone in this jurisdiction even have breakfast before Liturgy? I heard that Bishop So-and-so even had coffee with those godless Catholics right before Liturgy. Besides, it was at three a.m. when I had the coffee, and it's almost ten now.
A little after, thought the priest. "Why didn't you start your rule a little earlier?"
"Well, the book I just read said it must only be done after midnight, as that is the time to battle demons. Besides, Madonna was on Saturday Night Live.' Uh. . . the video clips of hers really led me into a big temptation . . . so I did all those prostrations."
Father really did not know what to address first. "Father," Bill asked, "don't you think it's time to start being more traditional, to get rid of those paraffin candles and use real beeswax? It is more Orthodox. It really bothers me that the choir reads half the texts of the vigil, instead of singing them, like last night. And on the wrong calendar too. It took me three hours just to repeat the vigil on the right calendar! I'm afraid I am going to have to find another jurisdiction that is more Orthodox. Am I the only one in this parish who knows how to do things right? Besides, I have invited my Elder to meet you, and he'll set you straight on all this stuff. He told me we have to do everything correctly, like they do it, otherwise we'll all burn in hell."
Father was losing patience, looking at his watch, 10:20 and counting. "Okay, Vasili, look, there are a number of issues here, and we need to talk about them, but not while the whole church is waiting for you to finish. When did you go to confession last?"
"Yesterday, at the monastery. I think I have finally found a spiritual father worthy of my obedience."
"And who is he?"
"Fr. So-and-so, from the monastery in the mountains. He is coming to serve with you next Sunday."
"Bill. .
"Vasili."
"Okay, Vasili, then. That guy was defrocked years ago. I can't serve with him! Who gave you a blessing to go see him? Much less submit yourself to him? Much less invite him here?"
"Oh, so you too are continuing to persecute that righteous man! I know in my heart he is truly Orthodox! Besides he baptised me yesterday, making up for what you did not do by chrismating me. Actually," getting excited, "why am I here anyway? I should really go be with him as the true criterion of Orthodoxy. . . Not in this modernist, ecumenist jurisdiction. My spiritual father may have been defrocked, but he is obedient to God, not those godless bishops! I know it because I feel it in my heart. .
"So," said Father, rather irritated, "why do you want to go to communion here anyway?"
"What! You would deny me my right to go to communion!" he whined, as he stormed out.
Monastery Life Vs. Parish Life
This story is a rather extreme, but not entirely uncommon, example of what can go wrong when laypeople -- especially those who are spiritually immature -- take to visiting monasteries for the wrong reasons and in the wrong spirit.
The growth of monasteries in North America over the past thirty years, and especially in the past five years, has brought about a tremendous opportunity for faithful Orthodox Christians to visit monasteries as pilgrims and be exposed to monastic tradition. A monastery, among other things, is a place which practices the liturgical and spiritual life in a maximalist way. This maximalism is expressed in a number of ways, including long, full services, strict ascetic discipline, and very conservative attitudes in everything from language, style, and dress to how one conducts one's personal life. Many confuse monastic maximalism and conservatism with a kind of reactionary ethnic agenda. This is a great mistake, however.
The monasteries incarnate Orthodox culture, regardless of what ethnic flavour it may have. It is the timeless, universal (Catholic) culture passed on by the holy fathers and mothers of the Orthodox Church, through personal discipleship and obedience. The monastic culture is nothing other than obedience to the Gospel, through discipleship to our spiritual fathers, who convey the tradition of how to live out the Gospel in its fullness. To visit an Orthodox monastery is not just to visit that particular community in that place at that time. It is to enter into that living Christian culture which has been handed over from generation to generation by the holy fathers.
Monasticism, the way of repentance, is a radically different way of life from living in the world, with a family, a job, and in a parish. Parishes are the front lines of where the Church meets the world, where a culture is sanctified and transformed by the Gospel. People lead busy lives in the world, and are not able to lead as active a liturgical life as in a monastery. Parish life seldom is and often cannot be maximalist in ethos. Yet a parish is not a compromise, a second-class way of being a Christian. Being a Christian in the world is taking the Gospel to the world, and living and witnessing to Christ while participating fully and actively in the culture. This is a very high calling!
Monastics have a different calling: to be "not of this world," and to structure their lives solely by the Gospel, and by the traditions of the Church, especially the liturgical cycles. It is very important to remember that there is no difference between the services prescribed for a parish and those of a monastery. There is no difference in the rules of fasting, prayer, or piety. The main difference is that people in parishes are engaged in the world, and monks are not. The monasteries are critically important to the life of the parishes: they constitute the reservoir of the living Tradition, in its purity, where people can experience the Gospel lived out in a radical way. Monasticism can inform their lives, inspire faithful laity to greater dedication of their lives to Christ and the Gospel, and provide a place of healing and spiritual consolation.
But as Bill/Vasili's story illustrates, there are also some great temptations that people can fall into in visiting monasteries. These temptations are all centred around spiritual pride, and the prelest (delusion) which can go along with it.
1: The Trap of Spiritual Pride
Spiritual pride is an easy trap for those new to the faith, who are newly exposed to monastic life, and who are seeking and striving to live an authentic Orthodox spiritual life. It can especially be a trap for those visiting monasteries, seeking spiritual direction, and not knowing what an authentic Orthodox life in the world, in a parish, is all about.
Faithful people go to monasteries, and see people's piety and how things are done in that monastic tradition, and want to emulate it -- but without understanding it. Pilgrims go and encounter spiritual elders and monks who live lives which, in their view, are more "spiritual" than that of their own parish priest -- so they judge him as inadequate to fit their spiritual needs. They go to confession, develop a spiritual relationship with a spiritual father or mother in a monastery, and think that theirs is the only way to salvation. They receive spiritual direction which they may interpret wrongly. Sometimes, people just get some bad advice, and uncritically turn it into the ultimate criterion of spiritual life. And sometimes people will go to a monastery or spiritual father who has been disciplined by the Church, and disregarded the discipline. Then the pilgrim- turned-disciple gets caught up in the self-justification of the errant elder, which in some cases has created a schism.
Excessive external piety, false humility, preoccupation with gossip and "issues" in the life of the Church, judging people on their piety or stance in these issues, complete assurance that one knows exactly how things should be done, and perhaps most dangerous of all, idolizing a person or place as the ultimate criterion of Orthodoxy, can all be symptoms of this malady. They are all aspects of spiritual immaturity. What is missing in all this is Christ and the real spiritual struggle with oneself.
2: Excessive Piety
Zeal for Christ and the Church are great and wonderful things; but authentic zeal is very different from a zeal that comes from one's passions. Carnal zeal always has some element of self-gratification or self-centeredness, by which one justifies oneself as truly Orthodox, truly pious, and "in the know." Authentic zeal is not directed towards anything but union in Christ, or against anything but one's own fallenness. With true zeal, there is no hypocrisy. False zeal, the delusion of spiritual pride and conceit, is always hypocritical.
Piety is an important way of personalizing the experience and mystery of the faith. Bowing, making the sign of the cross, behaving reverently, and all the other forms given to us by the Tradition are very useful in this. But they are never to be used except to express one's own love for God. They should never be used to "teach" others who are doing things "wrong," or to try to "convict" people of their impiety; much less, to show others that "I know how to do things right' ." In many monasteries, the rules for external expression of piety -- bowing, crossing oneself, prostrations, and so forth -- are observed very carefully; in parishes, however, they often are not. One should never attract attention to oneself through external piety. That only feeds the pride and self- centeredness that is in us, and distracts other people from their prayers.
The rules of fasting also fall into this category. Monasteries generally follow the rules quite strictly. And there is no difference whatsoever in the rules for fasting between monks and laity. That does not mean, however, that one should ever judge another, much less comment, on how someone fasts or doesn't fast. Not only is it usually hypocritical, but it misses the point. Fasting, and all the other rules of the Church, are a means and not an end. If we fast, and feel proud about it, and condemn another for not being so strict, it would have been better for us if we had not fasted at all (Romans 14:3 ff).
The same rule applies to the liturgical life of the Church. Monasteries, by their very constitution, serve the liturgical services very fully and according to the ancient St. Sabbas Typikon. Services can go on for hours and hours, sometimes, and occupy a major proportion of each day. There is no difference whatever, at least in the Slavic traditions, in the services prescribed for monasteries and those for parishes. For a pilgrim to a monastery, while at first the services may seem a real chore, and too long, eventually they grow on you, and you want nothing else. Parish services, abbreviated out of pastoral necessity, can seem incomplete.
There are a couple of temptations here. The first is to think that the monasteries are doing it "right," while the parish is doing it "wrong." The second temptation is to think that there is not as much grace in the parish services, and that the services and liturgical/spiritual life are not being taken seriously. This inevitably leads to judging the parish priest as less "spiritual" and lazy because he cuts the services. Little do we remember that at our first monastic services we were the first to sit down when we had a chance, and glance at our watches every five minutes, wondering if and when it was ever going to end! Parishes abbreviate out of pastoral necessity, and at the discretion of the pastor. One must not judge a priest or parish when they are doing all they can!
3: Judgmentalism
The biggest sin is to judge some one, especially the priest. The standard we set for the priest is usually impossibly high, something we ourselves could never live up to. Thus, any such judgment is immediately hypocrisy. The life of a parish priest is very different, filled with completely different cares, concerns, and responsibilities, from that of a priestmonk in a monastery. The laity see very little of the actual life of their priest. Many think he only works for two hours on Sundays! But to be a pastor is actually an eighty-plus -hour-a-week job. How can the laity judge him? And especially his "spirituality"?
The priestmonk may appear to be more "spiritual" because he is in church for six or eight hours a day, and has few other responsibilities. Try to do that with a family, and dozens or hundreds of parishioners to serve! The asceticism of being in the world and serving Christ, whether as priest or layperson, is equally as great as that of a monk in a monastery. It takes as profound a "spirituality" to do it. But the details will differ with the circumstances.
4: Abuse of Spiritual Guidance
Often people will go to monasteries for spiritual guidance and confession. It is a venerable and ancient Orthodox tradition to have a priestmonk in a monastery as a spiritual father, and to submit one's life to him. Sometimes people will go to a great elder, mostly for the big questions in life. It is also true that some people will connect better with their parish priest than others. This should be supported by the parish clergy.
If the Church is a spiritual hospital, the monasteries are the intensive care wards, with the specialists. You don't go to a family doctor for cancer; but you also don't go to a neurosurgeon for a cold. The great elders are those specialists who through years of ascetic purification and experience know how to deal with many of the big questions in life that people bring. Many have great spiritual gifts. Many do not. Most monastics are not elders by any stretch of the imagination. This does not compromise their ability to serve as confessor, consoler, and spiritual father. Whether it is a parish priest, a priestmonk, an eldress, or a great elder, the source of the advice and consolation is ultimately the same: God.
A true elder is one who always leaves a person with a profound sense of freedom, even when he reveals to a person the will of God. There is never any manipulation or personal agenda. The elder simply wants the salvation of the person, and is a vessel for him of God's love and forgiveness. The great temptation is to idolize the elder, and even substitute him/her for Christ. A personality cult leads to the destruction of both the elder and the disciples.
Obedience is very important in the spiritual life. Obedience, however, is always within certain boundaries. It can never involve doing what is illegal or immoral. True spiritual obedience has one end: to lead us to obedience to God. It is always within the Church, always toward a more profound level of communion, both ecclesially and personally.
A great temptation, especially for Americans, is to try to find an elder (read also priest or bishop) who is "worthy of my obedience." This is complete spiritual pride and delusion. We may think that we need a great elder, only the best, to submit ourselves to, because only such a gifted one could understand us, and "I could only associate myself with someone who could recognize and develop my unique potential." This is presumption, conceit, and arrogance, presuming oneself to be on the highest of spiritual planes. In reality, especially if we have such an attitude, the last person we would be able to deal with would be a great elder of profound spiritual life, who would quickly cut us down to size. Our pride could not handle that, and we would disregard his advice -- even, paradoxically, if what he advises would be the best thing for us.
5: Ecclesiastical Gossip
A last great temptation is to get involved in gossip about people, places, practices, and especially the "issues" confronting the Church. Whether it is who is doing what, how they serve this or that service and with whom, or the like, which is all gossip; or whether it involves the greater problems confronting the Church, such as ecumenism, the calendar, or what they are or are not teaching at such and such a seminary; there is very little fruitful and much more that is sinful in all that idle talk. The Lord said that we will be accountable for each word.
Not only does this gossip involve judging people, especially hierarchs, clergy, and teachers who will have to answer for themselves before God; it distracts us from the one thing needful: to pursue our own salvation. We are only accountable to God for our own salvation, not for issues which we can have no effect on. One of the saddest things is that monasteries tend to attract people who in the name of being serious about their spiritual life fall into this delusion, while all this kind of gossip and factionalism actually destroys their souls.
It is bad enough that people talk about such things in person; many also read whole publications that are essentially scandal sheets. The Internet is perhaps the worst vehicle for such gossip. This is nothing other than ecclesiastical pornography. It must be avoided at all costs!
Why We Should Visit Monasteries
Faithful Orthodox Christians should go on pilgrimage to monasteries often, should strive to emulate the piety and asceticism of the monastics as far as possible, and should seek the counsel of monastic spiritual fathers and mothers. The temptations and trials come primarily from our own spiritual immaturity and ignorance. We have to be aware of our weaknesses, and strive for the authentic spiritual values of humility, faith, and love.
The prayer of St. Ephraim should always be with us, as the overall guide for our spiritual life: O Lord and Master of my life, do not give me the spirit of sloth, faintheartedness, lust of power, and idle talk; but give rather the spirit of chastity, humility, patience, and love to Thy servant. Yea, O Lord and King, grant me to see my own sins and not to judge my brother, for blessed art Thou unto ages of ages. Amen!
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Hieromonk Jonah is the Econom of the Monastery of Saint John of Shanghai and San Francisco in Point Reyes, California (OCA).

Patrick Lopez-Hineynu
19-04-2007, 07:34 AM
Christ is Risen!

Peace my brother! Definitely check out Hermitage of the Holy Cross in Wayne WV, www.holycross-hermitage.com, as was suggested earlier. English speaking, ROCOR monastery.

Strive to be patient, too, on this journey of discernment. Know that I hold you in prayer. Peace, Patrick

Fr Seraphim (Black)
20-04-2007, 11:22 PM
Dear Andrey Vershinin,

I once was in the same position as you are.

I realized after many years that becoming a monk is not "a decision on what to do with my life".

I understand your intentions and I know that you mean well.

The authentic pleasure to become a monk is like being in passionate love with a specific girl: The world is an awful place; I am a failure, but I LOVE HER for no reason. I want to be with her every single minute of the day and of the night. My heart is on fire. My mind is always after her. I sleep and I wake up with her thought. She is EVERYTHING for me. I can not be without her. She is not my choice, she is my LOVE. I have no control on loving or not loving her, I feel that I was created as a person for being in this specific love with her.

Well, if Christ is in one’s heart in such a powerful way, like a girl is in one’s heart with the power of LOVE, then he is called for the monastic life. If not, then it is better to wait for the “call”.

The way for a monastery is not a decision; it’s a calling that fires in the heart.

The Christian way of life in being a husband of a wife is also a blessed way of living.

The Christian life is not realized in the way of being, but in the way of being blessed. And there are two ways of being blessed: one is with a wife, and another one without a wife.

Being with a wife is the easiest and the most comfortable way to be blessed. This is the way that is offered to everyone with the blessings of God. Millions of Christians have followed and are following this way. It makes world a better place to live and transforms the two persons involved, the wife and the husband, to angels on earth.

Being without a wife is the most difficult and hard way to be blessed. This is a way that is offered only to few with the blessings of God. Only a few from each generation are called for this way of life. It is the most demanding and the hardest way of being blessed. But the lover of Christ overcomes any obstacle because his heart is burning from His Love. Hunger, sleeplessness, weariness, cold, warmth and a life of no comfort whatsoever is for the lover of Christ like paradise on earth. Being in constant fight with his natural passions, the monk becomes a paradox on earth. He stands on earth but he lives in heaven. He sleeps for only few hours, without giving any rest to his body, and the remaining time he prays to God. He breathes air, but in his every breath he literally prays to God. He sleeps and his heart prays to God. He is constantly mourning for his sins and he is at the same time happy for the mercy of God. He becomes the most humble of all man, so that all could find the way of their salvation on his expense. He, constantly, has his mind in the hour of his death and he prepares himself for this hour to be presented in front of Christ in repentance and humbleness. The life of a monk is indeed the life of angels.

Dear Andrey Vershinin,

I find your desire somehow confused. At the same time you said: “I have wishes to become a monk” and “what I have been reading, and noticing (maybe I am wrong) is that Orthodoxy is becoming really corrupt”.

How can you wish to participate in a corrupt way of life?

It is better to test your readings about Orthodox life with the experience of a real Orthodox life and afterwards to check the monastic life. The best thing is to find a spiritual guide/priest from an Orthodox parish from whom you will be introduced into the beauty of genuine Orthodoxy. Leave the future into God’s hands. You will understand the call for the monastic life in your heart as you participate in Sacraments of Church.

Live the life of Church and let God guide your steps. Wait for many surprises, as the Spirit is transforming our lives beyond our imagination.



Let me say that your self-reproach is a good start, if it shows to you that Christ is accepting you in your current state and He is willing to take you up on His shoulder like "the Good shepherd". He does not ask you to become "someone" else, more perfect or sinless.

He just waits out of our heart's door knocking and waiting to be welcomed inside. It is important to meet with Him; the place that the meeting is taking place is irrelevant. He went in sinners' houses before; He will do it once again by visiting our hearts. His presence will transform our hearts from lightless places to all lighted up.

Our sanctification is His work, not ours. Our part is to open the door of our heart with honesty and in letting Him in and in glorifying His name and in thanking Him and asking for His Mercy.

I do not know if Andrey is still seeking, but the above words of Leandros are very beautiful. He is truly a blessed man, may his light of LOVE continue to shine and inspire many people.

Both ways of life are blessed by our Church, both are paths of sanctification within the embrace of our Church. I am grateful to our Lord that Leandros loves his wife in the way he expresses this love, however, I would offer only one word of caution: both ways if they lead to sanctification must follow the way of Christ, and that is the Cross before the Resurrection. God's will for each person is found through prayer, repentance, patience and living the Sacramental life of the Church. I would be hesitant to say one way is easier than the other. Let us all pray for one another, that each of us find the true Life in Christ.