After-feast of the Entry

[Alex Haig]

Services this weekend (Revised Calendar)

At the Liturgy on Saturday, should we use any "parts" from the Feast of the Entry of the Mother of God or do we use the Saturday ones? Specifically, the prokimenon, alleluia, 'It is meet ..." and communion verse.

At Vespers Saturday evening, does anything change from a 'normal' Tone 1 Great Vespers as it's the Leave-taking? Does the Leave-taking affect the Liturgy on Sunday?


Many thanks for any help.

With love in Christ

Alex

[Fr Raphael Vereshack]

Services this weekend (Revised Calendar)

At the Liturgy on Saturday, should we use any "parts" from the Feast of the Entry of the Mother of God or do we use the Saturday ones? Specifically, the prokimenon, alleluia, 'It is meet ..." and communion verse.

At Vespers Saturday evening, does anything change from a 'normal' Tone 1 Great Vespers as it's the Leave-taking? Does the Leave-taking affect the Liturgy on Sunday?


Many thanks for any help.

With love in Christ

Alex

As on the New Calendar you are in the Afterfeast period of the Entry of the Theotokos on Saturday's Liturgy you would use the prokimenon, alleluia, irmos from the 9th ode of the festal canon and communion verse all as on the Feast day itself. The only change from this would be if there is a saint on this day high enough in rank so that a second prokimen and alleluia are called for. You would have to look this up perhaps on the OCA site.

On Saturday night Vespers and/or Vigil, stichiri from the Feast itself would be added to the Resurrectional stichiri at Lord I Have Cried and at the Aposticha. At the Vespers the Festal tropar would also be chanted.

For the Liturgy you would also use material from the Feast itself plus since it is the Leavetaking add the Epistle & Gospel from the Feastday to the Sunday readings.

For the way in which this festal material is combined with that of the resurrection you would need to look at the OCA site for this upcoming Saturday/Sunday. I know they put onsite the needed stichiri and tropars for every Saturday Vespers and possibly for the Matins & Liturgy also.

In Christ- Fr Raphael

[Alex Haig]

The only change from this would be if there is a saint on this day high enough in rank so that a second prokimen and alleluia are called for

Father, your blessing!

Many thanks for your help. I have never heard of of a second prokeimenon or alleluia being used in the Liturgy - is this a specifically Russian custom?

With love in Christ

Alex

[Olympiada]

Services this weekend (Revised Calendar)

At the Liturgy on Saturday, should we use any "parts" from the Feast of the Entry of the Mother of God or do we use the Saturday ones? Specifically, the prokimenon, alleluia, 'It is meet ..." and communion verse.

At Vespers Saturday evening, does anything change from a 'normal' Tone 1 Great Vespers as it's the Leave-taking? Does the Leave-taking affect the Liturgy on Sunday?


Many thanks for any help.

With love in Christ

Alex
You might want to ask your parish priest about this.

[Fr Raphael Vereshack]

Father, your blessing!

Many thanks for your help. I have never heard of of a second prokeimenon or alleluia being used in the Liturgy - is this a specifically Russian custom?

With love in Christ

Alex

No I believe it is called for to be done by all.

On a Sunday during an Afterfeast period it certainly would be called for as for certain saints' feastdays. For this latter though you would have to check in the Menaion or the Typikon which would be found in the Calendar of your jurisdiction.

In Christ- Fr Raphael

[Father David Moser]

Father, your blessing!

Many thanks for your help. I have never heard of of a second prokeimenon or alleluia being used in the Liturgy - is this a specifically Russian custom?

With love in Christ

Alex



No I believe it is called for to be done by all.

On a Sunday during an Afterfeast period it certainly would be called for as for certain saints' feastdays. For this latter though you would have to check in the Menaion or the Typikon which would be found in the Calendar of your jurisdiction.

In Christ- Fr Raphael

while Fr Raphael is accurate in pointing out the universal nature of this practice in the typicon, it is also useful to note that very often in parish practice the second Gospel and Epistle readings are omitted and only the primary reading for the day (and thus only the primary prokeimenon and alleluia) is used. I have seen this practice in many parishes in almost every jurisdiction so it is really no indicator of piety or traditionalism, simply one of local practice.

Fr David Moser

[Fr Raphael Vereshack]

Fr David wrote:


it is also useful to note that very often in parish practice the second Gospel and Epistle readings are omitted and only the primary reading for the day (and thus only the primary prokeimenon and alleluia) is used. I have seen this practice in many parishes in almost every jurisdiction so it is really no indicator of piety or traditionalism, simply one of local practice.

This also is very correct. The ultimate arbiter of what is found in the Typikon must be on the level of the local parish priest & parish. And this actually is a fundamental principle of the Typikon.

In Christ- Fr Raphael