Troparia on the Beatitudes

[Michael Astley]

My parish doesn't use these but we plan to start doing so as part of our gradual effort to serve a fuller form of the services. How do these work?

I know that each day of the week has troparia appointed in the Octoechos, which I have, and that these correspond to the liturgical observance of the various days of the week, (the Cross on Fridays, the Saints and Departed on Saturdays, the Resurrection on Sundays, and so forth). However, I also know that the calendar observances of the day are to be included as well. How does this work? Do these troparia come from the canon of the feast/Saint as they do for the Great Feasts of the Mother of God? What determines how many are used? Do the rules correspond to those for the stikhera at Vespers or are they different?

Fr John Whiteford's site is great for providing the Sunday ones but we have a blessing to observe the Saints of Britain so the troparia we shall be using will not always be the same as those in the typikon as provided by Fr John, and I would like to know how to put them together myself.

Any help would be very gratefully received.

In Christ,
Michael

[Anthony Stokes]

My parish doesn't use these but we plan to start doing so as part of our gradual effort to serve a fuller form of the services. How do these work?

In Christ,
Michael

I think there may be a discussion on this somewhere else, but...

The Octoechos gives the daily troparia for the Beatitudes.

For any feast, the troparia come from the Canon in the Menaion. Usually, the menaion will tell you which Ode to pull them from. 4 from Ode III, etc. The typical odes are 3 and 6. Writing this out makes me realize that there is definitely already been a discussion on this before, I just can't find it right now.

You would need a typicon or Rubrics book to tell you exactly how many you need for a service. For example, a Polyeleon class service on a Sunday during an afterfeast would have 12 troparia, 4 from the Octoechos, 4 from the Feast, and 4 for the Saint. The menaion would specify which odes of the canons to take them from. They would then be sung in the Canon tone, but usually to the stichera melody (LIHC).

Sbdn. Anthony

[Michael Astley]

Thank you, Subdeacon Anthony. Helpful as ever.

I managed to track down some quite detailed rules for them on feasts, Sundays, and weekdays, so I should be ok to put them together when the day comes.

Wahey! :-)

Michael

[Michael Stickles]

I think there may be a discussion on this somewhere else, but...

... Writing this out makes me realize that there is definitely already been a discussion on this before, I just can't find it right now.

Just for future reference for anyone finding this thread, this was talked about in the Antiphons and matins (http://www.monachos.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3812) thread, starting around post #16 or so. Some other threads also discuss how to handle troparia, stichera, etc. for various services, but I think this one is probably the one Sbdn Anthony is remembering.

In Christ,
Michael

[Michael Astley]

How embarrassing!

It was I who asked the question the first time round as well, over a year ago. Even reading my posts on the original thread, I still have no recollection of that discussion, although the evidence is right there. I should sleep more.